Wiki or Forum?

[Malenfant]

Well what do other people think of this then? I've made my point enough I think.

[hank]

Well what do other people think of this then? I've made my point enough I think.

I think so, too. Other people will either choose to contribute to the wikibook or not. It's entirely up to them. There's really no reason to waste any further time on this discussion.

- Hank

[BrainDead]

Again, I'm not insisting that a wiki is a better place to ask questions, but that it could be a more useful place to find answers. But only if people will start contributing to it.

I moved over to the Wikibook so I could learn something about CELX.
Thanks to you, I have learned something about CELX. I think I have to
agree with others here though... If we don't know enough about the topic to
be able to contribute knowledge, then I think this is a better way to
learn. (At least for me.)

As to the part about being a useful place to find answers, the questions I had
for you concerning the formatting of numbers would be the perfect kind of
material which would make the Wikibook site of benefit.

Please understand here. I have Don G.'s version of Harry's manual in an
RTF format. I have access to Harry's web site, and I've searched for CELX
documentation elsewhere on the net. I found NO references to the formatting
commands? functions? you showed me. Now if these things were
displayed somewhere - in an organized fashion - on the Wikibook site,
I think that that might very well be useful. <shrug>

At any rate, I do appreciate the time you've taken to explain
things so far, and perhaps I'll add something to the site when I know
what the hell I'm doing.

[BrainDead]

Is it possible this is at least partly because you're used to the forum, but the wiki is still somewhat unfamiliar?

Oh yes, no question... I was willing to learn it though.

If you're logged-in to the wiki as a registered user, you can click the "my watchlist" link in the upper right of any page to see a list of the pages you're "watching" that have recently changed. You can then click on the "hist" link for one of the listed pages to see a list of the recent changes to the page. They're listed in order, with the date and the name of the user who made the change. Then you can click of the "last" link for a specific edit to see what the changes were. For example you would have seen this view of one of my edits. Would that have helped?

Certainly, but I thought you meant that being on the "Watchlist" would
get me some e-mail whenever something on the site had changed.
Sorry, this was my fault for not taking the time to fully explore the
medium. I was too excited about seeing what CELX could do.

[Malenfant]

I moved over to the Wikibook so I could learn something about CELX.

To be clear to Hank, I am learning about CelX by (a) reading the actual entries on the wikibook (not the discussion page), (b) using the big table of commands on Harald's site (at http://celestia.h-schmidt.net/celx-summ ... t.html#API ) and (c) asking questions here. The discussion page is just too chaotic for me to get anything useful out of.

Currently I can get a fair amount done with just (a) and (b) and experimenting in Celestia. I have to ask questions though because (a) has a very limited amount of information on it and (b) is a bit obscure and technical in places. And I prefer to ask questions here than on the discussion page at the wikibook.

I don't think the basic LUA manual at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ is particularly useful for us - though Bob, I'd suggest you take a look at 5.3 (string manipulation) and 5.5 (mathematical functions) because those will probably come up in CELX scripts a lot.

[BrainDead]

I don't think the basic LUA manual at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ is particularly useful for us - though Bob, I'd suggest you take a look at 5.3 (string manipulation) and 5.5 (mathematical functions) because those will probably come up in CELX scripts a lot.

Hey, thanks Malenfant. It probably would have helped my earlier searches
if I'd known that CELX was derived from LUA too, don't you think?

Again thanks.

[hank]

Again, I'm not insisting that a wiki is a better place to ask questions, but that it could be a more useful place to find answers. But only if people will start contributing to it.

I moved over to the Wikibook so I could learn something about CELX. Thanks to you, I have learned something about CELX. I think have to agree with others here though... If we don't know enough about the topic to be able to contribute knowledge, then I think this is a better way to learn. (At least for me.)

Your willingness to give the wikibook a try has been helpful, if only by indicating some of the improvements needed there. It's very experimental at this stage, so any participation is appreciated.

As to the part about being a useful place to find answers, the questions I had for you concerning the formatting of numbers would be the perfect kind of material which would make the Wikibook site of benefit.

Please understand here. I have Don G.'s version of Harry's manual in an RTF format. I have access to Harry's web site, and I've searched for CELX documentation elsewhere on the net. I found NO references to the formatting commands? functions? you showed me. Now if these things were displayed somewhere - in an organized fashion - on the Wikibook site,I think that that might very well be useful. <shrug>

Yes, this is just what the wikibook could make possible. And while Harry's manual on its own is an extremely important resource, I think it could be made more useful for learning and reference if it were integrated into the wikibook, where it could be easily amplified and cross-linked with other material.

At any rate, I do appreciate the time you've taken to explain things so far, and perhaps I'll add something to the site when I know what the hell I'm doing. :wink:

I hope you'll contribute to the wikibook whatever you think you can. You already have, actually, by indicating some of the questions you've had, which can be incorporated in a Q&A section or into the body of the tutorial.

- Hank

[hank]

To be clear to Hank, I am learning about CelX by (a) reading the actual entries on the wikibook (not the discussion page), (b) using the big table of commands on Harald's site (at http://celestia.h-schmidt.net/celx-summ ... t.html#API ) and (c) asking questions here. The discussion page is just too chaotic for me to get anything useful out of.

I understand, and I've agreed that the current state of the discussion page isn't very useful. It needs to be reorganized in a more effective Q&A type format.

Currently I can get a fair amount done with just (a) and (b) and experimenting in Celestia. I have to ask questions though because (a) has a very limited amount of information on it and (b) is a bit obscure and technical in places. And I prefer to ask questions here than on the discussion page at the wikibook.

That's fine, but I hope you'll eventually be willing to help put the knowledge you're gaining into the wikibook in an effective manner.

I don't think the basic LUA manual at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ is particularly useful for us - though Bob, I'd suggest you take a look at 5.3 (string manipulation) and 5.5 (mathematical functions) because those will probably come up in CELX scripts a lot.

And I think it would be very helpful if the relevant parts of the Lua manual could be summarized and explained in the wikibook at a level appropriate for aspiring CELX programmers.

- Hank

[Malenfant]

Hank, all of that is still possible . I'm not trying to put down what you've done so far or say that it's pointless or anything. It would certainly be useful to have a place where everything is stored in a coherent manner.

My only issue really is that I prefer to ask my questions here . Otherwise I think we basically agree on most points.