EVENT HORIZON SHIP

fsgregs · Post #21by **fsgregs** » 10.02.2005, 22:51

Hi again. one more quick consideration for the model. A lot of folks in Celestia are purists. Fiding the model in orbit around Neptune in the year 2005 may or may not give them some concern (since it is a futuristic model taking place far in the future). I for one am a science teacher who uses Celestia extensively in the classroom and I would not want my students to locate the Event Horizon when we visit Neptune. Some of them will think it is really there and ask if NASA launched it?

Instead, I suggest you either place it around another star (any star you wish), or add a "beginning" statement to the ssc file so it does not appear around Neptune until the year 2200 or later. One of the add-ons in Celestia in fact, is a wormhole (the Barzan Wormhole). Placing the Event Horizon orbiting the wormhole would be an interesting place to put it, considering that wormholes are where event hortizons occur. There are several black holes also that could be locations for the ship.

No criticism intended. Your add-on is very nice. These are just some suggestions for your consideration.

Frank

Cham · Post #22by **Cham** » 11.02.2005, 05:14

fsgregs,

there are no event horizons around worm holes.

Post #23by **selden** » 11.02.2005, 15:12

Cham,

Unless you're joking, I think you may have misunderstood Frank's posting. In this context, "Event Horizon" is the name of a movie and a spacecraft in that movie. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119081/

Cham · Post #24by **Cham** » 11.02.2005, 15:28

Selden,

I was replying to this sentence in Frank's post :

"considering that wormholes are where event hortizons occur"

It's not about the spaceship.

ScyBladeghost · Post #25by **ScyBladeghost** » 11.02.2005, 16:37

Hi everyone,as for my ship addon its just for sci-fi being a sci-fi fan
I know there are other addons that cater to the likes of star trek, star wars, aliens and so forth, theres no reason the event horizon should'nt be available as well.

I have put together a package of Battlestar Galatica with A Battlestar,Colonial Vipers,Cylon Raiders and a cylon Basestar around Rigel.

another I would like to put together is The Homeworld Mothership around Hiigara (sci-fi) of course or even the LEXX ,I myself am a teacher as well
and to purists and students alike, remember these addons are just that (science -fiction) If you don't want them, don't use them, its all choice and preference of the individual. I say celestia is a wonderful development and should be enjoyed fully.

ScyBladeghost · Post #26by **ScyBladeghost** » 11.02.2005, 21:22

as an additional addon I've uploaded Battlestar Galactica for those interested. enjoy!

Cham · Post #27by **Cham** » 11.02.2005, 21:27

Your Battlestar package may be interesting too. Is it available on your web site ?

The homeworld ships were already converted by Jestr. They aren't available to the Motherlode yet, however. I could email them to you, if you wish.

ScyBladeghost · Post #28by **ScyBladeghost** » 11.02.2005, 21:40

As for Homeworld I have all the ships, but thanks anyways for the offer,

I'd like to see the Valley Forge from silent running one day,or LEXX

um Yes the Battlestar package is now available.

fsgregs · Post #29by **fsgregs** » 11.02.2005, 22:44

ScyBladeghost:

Sorry for any confusion over my suggestions regarding the Event Horizon model. I had suggested an alternative location for it via your add-on's ssc file only because it was originally located in the movie around a star far from Earth (not around Neptune), and because by placing it around another star, it would not interfere with the realism of the environment of Neptune. Given that Neptune was just an arbitary location (any planet or star will do nicely), I thought it would maximize the enjoyment of the add-on by the most folks. Not everyone who downloads the add-on will know how to move it to another star if they want to. However, that decision of course, is yours.

Cham:

I thought that a theoretical wormhole does have an event horizon, beyond which you cannot turn back or turn around. Once passed into it, you go wherever the wormhole takes you. There is no backing out. Isn't that theoretically correct? If so, would not a wormhole (theoretically) have a kind of central core within the event horizon similiar to a black hole?

If you don't feel it is correct, then that implies you can pass into the maw of a wormhole and simply reverse course without being trapped and whisked away. Is that what the theory suggests?

Frank
:roll:

Frank

Cham · Post #30by **Cham** » 11.02.2005, 22:58

fsgregs,

theoretical wormholes don't have any event horizon, or else it isn't a wormhole. You can (theoretically) travel through in the wormhole, and come back later. It's really a two way tunnel.

There are some huge problems with theoretical wormholes, with the exotic matter you need to make the tunnel stable, and also with causality.

ScyBladeghost · Post #31by **ScyBladeghost** » 12.02.2005, 00:40

Speaking of Black Holes you all now got me thinking about the
Disney movie The Black Hole with the Cygnus Spacecraft and palamino.

I may build that too someday, however I'm about 75% complete on building the Valley Forge Bio-dome ships from the movie Silent Running. and yes there going to be near or around Saturn.

maxim · Post #32by **maxim** » 12.02.2005, 00:49

ScyBladeghost wrote:I'd like to see the Valley Forge from silent running one day,or LEXX

NOT 'or LEXX'! This is a MUST!
You shouldn't do ANYTHING else before LEXX is finished!

maxim

ScyBladeghost · Post #33by **ScyBladeghost** » 12.02.2005, 02:12

The Valley Forge is almost complete about 85% when its finished I'll start on building the LEXX how's that sound,

also I posted a screenshot of the Valley Forge as it is now at my dev site.

so the LEXX is next.

Cham · Post #34by **Cham** » 12.02.2005, 02:17

The Valley Forge appears to be very nice.

Evil Dr Ganymede · Post #35by **Evil Dr Ganymede** » 12.02.2005, 05:32

fsgregs wrote:Sorry for any confusion over my suggestions regarding the Event Horizon model. I had suggested an alternative location for it via your add-on's ssc file only because it was originally located in the movie around a star far from Earth (not around Neptune), and because by placing it around another star, it would not interfere with the realism of the environment of Neptune. Given that Neptune was just an arbitary location (any planet or star will do nicely), I thought it would maximize the enjoyment of the add-on by the most folks. Not everyone who downloads the add-on will know how to move it to another star if they want to. However, that decision of course, is yours.

You need to watch the movie again

The Lewis & Clark was sent to Neptune to investigate the reappearance of "Event Horizon" in low orbit around that planet. The Event Horizon had been sent to another star system seven years earlier (IIRC. I think it was Proxima? I don't recall if it was ever specified in the film), and it had just rather unexpectedly come back to Neptune after a very long absence (or so they thought).

So the ship SHOULD be around Neptune if it's sticking to the movie (it should be very close to the cloudtops too).

Plus, I suspect that if one wants realism in Celestia, one wouldn't be downloading and using a spaceship addon like this in a 'realistic' install of Celestia anyway.

ScyBladeghost · Post #36by **ScyBladeghost** » 12.02.2005, 06:17

Hi again everyone, yes I'm pleased to announce I completed the
Valley Forge model
and is now available for download.

as a sci-fi addon the ship is from the 1972 movie entitled Silent Running and I've built this model from scratch.
any feedback or comments welcomed.

"Valley Forge ,Valley Forge, come in valley forge, noel?"

Thanks enjoy!

JV

Evil Dr Ganymede · Post #37by **Evil Dr Ganymede** » 12.02.2005, 07:52

I like the Valley Forge

(also the hydroponics ship in the original galactica series, IIRC)

fsgregs · Post #38by **fsgregs** » 12.02.2005, 17:57

Dear Evil Dr. Ganymede:

See, that's the exact problem with Celestia users. Some of us are very experienced and have multiple installations of Celestia. Most, however, have only one (including me).

Thanks for correcting me on the Neptune thing. :oops:

However, to avoid seeing the Event Horizon in orbit every time one goes to Neptune, I still strongly encourage the add-on to at least add a Beginning date to the ssc file, so the ship does not appear until sometime in the future (the year 2200 or 2300 would probably match the technology needed to build such a ship). For pete's sake, it doesn't hurt anything and will eliminate the issue I am pointing out. The ship is far too advanced for the year 2005.

Does anyone else agree, or am I really off base here? :roll:

ScyBladeghost:

Thanks for the models. The Valley Forge looks good. You are a gifted modeler and we are fortunate to have you join the Celestia community. However, I'm confused about what is in the biodomes. There are big brown pyramids in them. My wife took one look at them and asked, "Where are the plants"? Should there not be forests and green plant biomes under the glass? In fact, when I visited your site two days ago while you were still wortking on the model, I thought I saw green biomes in your screenshot?

:?:

Frank

ScyBladeghost · Post #39by **ScyBladeghost** » 12.02.2005, 20:38

fsgregs wrote:Thanks for the models. The Valley Forge looks good. You are a gifted modeler and we are fortunate to have you join the Celestia community. However, I'm confused about what is in the biodomes. There are big brown pyramids in them. My wife took one look at them and asked, "Where are the plants"? Should there not be forests and green plant biomes under the glass? In fact, when I visited your site two days ago while you were still wortking on the model, I thought I saw green biomes in your screenshot?

Frank

For now in this version of valley forge v1.1 the treetops are just low poly substitutions, as for the color it may just be your monitor. one dome would have a desert scene, as well, its a work in progress as with all my work. updates will be posted at my web pages as well as here in the forums, as for the time line in the Event Horizon ship, I'll have to look into that. Thanks,

JV

Cham · Post #40by **Cham** » 12.02.2005, 22:38

I like the valley forge. However, I think the mesh is a bit too crude. Especially the spheres have huge triangles visible on them. Can you make the model with an higher resolution ? All the tubes and spheres should be smoother.