Huygens!

The Singing Badger · Post #21by **The Singing Badger** » 14.01.2005, 17:42

It's not as bad as it sounds. They said there are two channels as a safety device in case one failed. It seems that one channel did fail, but both relay the same information so nothing will be lost.

By the way I just realised that when they say 'tonight' they're on European time, so us folks in the Americas may be able to see the results by this afternoon. Yay!

Guest · Post #22by **Guest** » 14.01.2005, 18:04

pictures pictures pictures ! We want pictures !

http://news.google.com/news?&q=huygens

andersa · Post #23by **andersa** » 14.01.2005, 18:48

Harry wrote:
andersa wrote:I thought the idea was to use radio telescopes on Earth to try to pick up the faint Huygens data signal as a backup measure just in case the there were still problems with the Cassini relay operation
AFAIK this was never planned. It's just a way to quickly check that Huygens is/was alive.

The carrier signal is also analyzed using interferometry, to determine the precise descent path of Huygens through the atmosphere. I wasn't aware of this experiment until recently, so I guess I must have misread something about it earlier in connection with the Cassini relay doppler problem, thinking the radio telescopes were for data backup. :oops:

I also watched the ESA press conference (via NASA TV webcast) where Huygens mission manager Lebreton explained they had been surprised by reports from Australia that Huygens just continued transmitting, and they were now busy requesting time on radio telescopes also in Europe to continue receiving the signal as Saturn rises in the night sky (Saturn is currently in opposition). The batteries on Huygens are told to last for up to seven hours under optimal conditions, which means they have probably run out by now.

There were several questions from the press about the redundancy of the data channels. As I understand it, the carrier signal from the A channel was supposed to be used to obtain additional interferometry data. That opportunity may now have been lost, if the A channel failed as has been indicated. While all instruments onboard have been made to deliver their data via both A and B channels, they haven't spent valuable time transmitting every picture twice, but instead twice as many pictures, half of which may now be lost. Given that they will largely show the same piece of ground, this is hardly a disaster, just less redundancy in the data.

First pictures are expected to be made public around 19:45 GMT (11:45am PST).

The Singing Badger · Post #24by **The Singing Badger** » 14.01.2005, 19:53

The webcast is up and running again.

The Singing Badger · Post #25by **The Singing Badger** » 14.01.2005, 20:00

First picture: a shoreline and drainage channels! Looks like there really might be liquid down there...

The Singing Badger · Post #26by **The Singing Badger** » 14.01.2005, 20:08

They only showed us one picture!

There will be lots more at 23:00 (Central European Time),

thus:

22:00 GMT
18:00 Atlantic Time
17:00 EST
14:00 PST

Be there!

Draconiator · Post #27by **Draconiator** » 14.01.2005, 20:09

...I'm also interested in the sound files, if any, that Huygens recorded. Did we get any audio recordings with the data?

Guest · Post #28by **Guest** » 14.01.2005, 20:09

where is the image?

alphap1us · Post #29by **alphap1us** » 14.01.2005, 20:15

NASA TV is apparently slashdotted (or shatters.netted, to coin a phrase) and this link keeps timing out, but I think it's the best bet anyway.

http://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/050114pic1.html

OR try

http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.ph ... _photo.php

Cheers,
Joe

Tanketai · Post #30by **Tanketai** » 14.01.2005, 20:16

I saw it, but it was in the nasa stream, displayed on the screens in the back of the JPL controll room.
*hoping to see it more clearly somewhere*

Post #31by **t00fri** » 14.01.2005, 20:27

Dollan · Post #32by **Dollan** » 14.01.2005, 20:29

Wow....

The Singing Badger · Post #33by **The Singing Badger** » 14.01.2005, 20:34

OK... I don't want to leap to conclusions ... and I know nothing about geology... but the pale stuff is craggy and mountainous and the black stuff is smooth ... so we're looking at a seashore, right?

Post #34by **t00fri** » 14.01.2005, 20:34

First surface photo...

The Singing Badger · Post #35by **The Singing Badger** » 14.01.2005, 20:49

Are those stones ... rounded? That would suggest ...

hank · Post #36by **hank** » 14.01.2005, 20:51

I was somewhat annoyed to tune in to the broadcast expecting to see images from Titan and instead to see mainly images of ESA VIPs giving their predictable reactions to the achievement. But at least they did show one image (and I think they may also have inadvertantly shown another for a few seconds). It was enough to indicate that the imaging experiment was successful, so we can relax about that now. And hopefully they'll be willing to show us a few more images in a little while.

- Hank

Post #37by **t00fri** » 14.01.2005, 20:51

The Singing Badger wrote:Are those stones ... rounded? That would suggest ...

My guess is that these are inhabitants of Titan, all curiously watching the "Newcomer" from Earth ;-)

...

Bye Fridger

Dollan · Post #38by **Dollan** » 14.01.2005, 20:55

I wonder if there is any data coming in beyond what Cassini relayed. I think I read that since the probe lasted at least 2 hours longer than its three minute surface life span, that Earth radio telescopes would be attempting to receive the data that Cassini is unable to receive?

Is Huygens still active as of now, does anyone know?

Post #39by **t00fri** » 14.01.2005, 20:56

Here I colorized the "liquid" areas in blue and the land yellowish. This enhances conspicuously the 'canal' network, notably on the lhs of the image!

Bye Fridger

wcomer · Post #40by **wcomer** » 14.01.2005, 20:59

lot's of raw data:
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kholso/data.htm

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Huygens!

Re: Data vs carrier signal

Where did you see this, Badger?