Distance/radii limits for planets labels/orbits to show

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Post #61by ANDREA » 20.06.2007, 14:53

Fenerit wrote:Well Andrea, I apologize if I insist, but I'm very curious about how you and Buggs did have realized the rotation of the whole planet's system and of the fixed stars in 24h. :roll:

Fenerit, please give us some more time, and ask developers, like we do, for the solution of the globes-labels disappearance problem, otherwise all the project will not go to conclusion. :cry:
I'm working on Tychonic System just now, but it's very disappointing to see labels and globes disappear randomly when using it.
Believe me, THIS is the problem, all the other stuff is only a matter of time and good will.
We have the latter, for the former we need your patience. :wink:
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Post #62by Fenerit » 20.06.2007, 15:50

Yeah, Andrea: all the time do you have need! It's just for a strange idea that brought to my mind: if those systems were erroneos for the real world, probably even in Celestia it do not works! How do you think to give at that systems those two contemporary motions without violate the Kepler's laws? Perhaps the solution (in educational mode) should be a cmod sphere mapped with the stars and planets as "mirrors", that turns indipendently from the annual motions of planets around the Earth. Was the impossibility of having this two motions at the same time that lead Ptolemy in consider your system apart of physical reality. :?
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Post #63by ANDREA » 20.06.2007, 17:14

Fenerit wrote:Yeah, Andrea: all the time do you have need! It's just for a strange idea that brought to my mind: if those systems were erroneos for the real world, probably even in Celestia it do not works! How do you think to give at that systems those two contemporary motions without violate the Kepler's laws? Perhaps the solution (in educational mode) should be a cmod sphere mapped with the stars and planets as "mirrors", that turns indipendently from the annual motions of planets around the Earth. Was the impossibility of having this two motions at the same time that lead Ptolemy in consider your system apart of physical reality. :?

I'm not so expert of Ptolemy's feelings with his system, even if I know of his dissatisfaction for the results, being imperfect and moreover possible only with a lot of "inventions" (Mars. Jupiter and Saturn epicycles all orbiting in 1 year, just for an example, or the line connecting Mercury and Venus epicycles center linked to Sun's orbit (Sun is the only object not moving along an epicycle, you know), in order to explain the East-West movement around the Sun of these two planets.
I would be not so sure of what you say about the Celestia impossibility to draw something against Kepler's laws, because I'm looking just now at Mars, Jupiter and Saturn taking the same time to orbit the Earth's equant, and Mercury-Venus equant barycenters linked on a straight line from Earth's equant to the Sun, so... the third Kepler?€™s law is OFF, do you agree? :wink:
Regarding the Almagest stars, they are already drawn on a cmod sphere, but sincerely we have not yet faced the problem of its rotation.
As I told you, the stc and ssc expert of our team is Buggs Moran, actually on holiday, so upon his return we?€™ll go back to the drawing board. :wink:
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Post #64by Fenerit » 20.06.2007, 17:51

Do the rotational periods of the outer planets much more fast than the inner's one is? Do you have declared two barycenters? I'm very interested in deal with all that. Can you show the first lines of the .SSC and .STC here, for my curiosity?

In the book called Planetary Hypotheses, Ptolemy have no dubt wheter is Mercury the first planets below the Sun or Venus, and that the maximum distance of one planet from the Earth is equal at the minimum of the planet above. I'm sorry if Ptolemy seem my friend, but the old systems once time ago were in my curriculuuuuum. :)
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Post #65by ANDREA » 20.06.2007, 21:43

Fenerit wrote:Do the rotational periods of the outer planets much more fast than the inner's one is? Do you have declared two barycenters? I'm very interested in deal with all that. Can you show the first lines of the .SSC and .STC here, for my curiosity?

Sure we'll do, but only when the System will be fully tested and ready for spreading, sorry. Actually it's all under construction. 8O
Moreover during the year we waited for a solution to the orbits-globes-labels disappearing (still alive!), I lost the bachup of the old directory containing Celestia with all the my already done stuff, so in practice we are starting again from scratch, with just a few memories and some cmods saved by Buggs, and textures I saved on another directory, and so still available. :evil:
This is the reason why for the moment we don't like to show any ssc or stc files, we are producing them just now, trying to find the right balance between accuracy, aesthetics and educational capability.
Be patient, please.
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Post #66by Fenerit » 21.06.2007, 11:50

I've seen here and there how there are some problems about the new version of Celestia. Consider how fundamentally I'm an end user with add-ons makin' finality, and you should be aware of what meaning have for me to make the things quickly. Better waiting for a stable final release that loosing time in moving, copying, pasting and testing all the textures. I believe that some bugs I should not able to find they even there were. We have waited for one year, we'll wait for two. Goodbye.
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Post #67by ANDREA » 21.06.2007, 12:21

Fenerit wrote:I've seen here and there how there are some problems about the new version of Celestia. ...... We have waited for one year, we'll wait for two. Goodbye.

Yes, 1.5.0 gives many problems, but actually we are working with 1.4.1, that's very stable, and allows the use of Vincent's patch3, so WITH music and sounds, very useful for educational purposes.
Anyhow not another year, please, I need this addon for next school year lessons, starting on next October. :wink:
Let's try, at least.
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Post #68by Fenerit » 21.06.2007, 12:33

Confirm. The 1.4.1 is REALLY stable, in my humble opinion. It do not give problems on my computer; consider that with my Duron 750/Gforce Mx 440 128 Mb I can see until the level 4 VT very fine, and when I push up toward the next level, although hang a little up, never crash or idle.
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Post #69by ElChristou » 21.06.2007, 12:38

ANDREA wrote:Yes, 1.5.0 gives many problems, but actually we are working with 1.4.1, that's very stable...


Too bad, this addon deserve to be really up to date... :x
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