New WIN XP nVidia drivers for 4-5-6-7000 and Quadro cards

[t00fri]

Daniel,

but there is a standard systematic strategy to find out what's going on. It's much more effective than whining...

1) you move the content of your entire extras folder to some place out of the Celestia directory.

2) you save solarsys.scc and possibly other files where you have made changes also in some other directory.

3) you first remove Celestia 1.5.0pre3 (via Control Panel) and then reinstall it fresh. Nothing remaining in the Celestia folder from an earlier installation!

4) Check the fresh install out without ANY add-ons, but your new NVIDIA driver. See if the operation is satisfactory now. If YES, you know that the problem was with your add-ons.

5) Then copy one after the other of your original add-ons back into the extras folder and check the performance each time or whether crashes arise.

6) see where you get this way.

While yesterday you were still incorrectly insisting that these NV drivers above version 100 are only for Vista, today you have already installed such a driver yourself and found out that it works also for XP. That's what I told you from the beginning. Today DELL has even released an official NVIDIA driver, 101.19, for my laptop card (Quadro NV 110M) both for XP and Vista! Just to demonstrate clearly that you are wrong most of the time.

I can tell you that no matter what driver you will install, the fps rates will not change dramatically. The new versions are made for other reasons than merely speed!!!

Today you proceed to complain about yet other things....You got to take the problems apart in order to achieve transparency!

Bye Fridger

[Don. Edwards]

In my line of work as a Computer Repair Tech, I can tell you that without a doubt, 90% of all computer and software elated problems are user error.

Daniel must be doing something inherently wrong that is causeing this problem. Or his hardware is getting a little long in the tooth. Computers are not designed to last forever Daniel. Yes there are some old computers out there that are still chugging along, but lets face the facts. Celestia has advanced over time and so has its requirements for the nicer add-ons. Your system may just be working at its limits, hence you are going to have to live with the way things are.

Also have you considered that you may have a damaged install of Windows XP. I can't tell you how many times I have installed XP over the years, it must be in the upper hundreds. Out of all those installs, I would say at 25% end up being a bad install for what ever reason or another. So it makes me wipe the drive and install again. If you have install XP recently and it hasn't worked properly from the begining you may be having such a problem. Or simply installing an application or driver can upset Windows XP ballance and send it into fits. You may not ntice a problem until you need to run a certain app. But when in doubt, and if you have a spare hard drive, grab it and put it in the computer and run a new install on it and see what happens. If you do everthing right and find this install works better than you found the problem. If its the same than I think you may have to point to some piece of hardware on your system as the culprit. You may not like that, but sometimes its the truth. And due to your financial restraints down there in Brazil, youare going to have to live with these problems for the time being.

Sorry I can't be more help, but thats about as far as I can take you. The rest is up to you.

Don. Edwards

[danielj]

Computers are not designed to last forever...but my computer is a little less than 2 years old.This isn??t an old computer and the problem is simple:MONEY.I don??t have it.Even if I reinstall the Windows,is a lot of work and maybe I have to format the computer.No one in my home wants this and besides this demands works and probably money to have the service done.I don??t understand why Celestia have to be so heavy!If the Celestia 1.4.1 is running smoother,it??s OBVIOUS that the problem is with pre3.Can??t you see it?
ANY BIG MODEL I PUT;for example,bigHubble.cmod,Celestia CRASHES...
I think what makes the difference is the RAM memory.Even you,Don,have 2 GB of memory and DDR2 800 is much faster than DDR400.Even fridger that have an old video card,have lots of RAM memory.I think it??s about 3 GB.Other thing is that you have Pentium and this process have HT,which process more than a task much faster than the Athlon64,for example;actually you have a dual core CPU and this makes a lot of difference.Almost ALL developers have a dual core CPU and lots of RAM and you take this as the default;there is why you think I??m doing something wrong.It??s obvious that Celestia is each time,more and more optimized to high end computers,which is a shame,because it is not very scalable.Of course,I can stay with the default package,but in this case,the program becomes very dull.
Well,I don??t know what to do.But if drivers like 111.19 are not for best perfomance,WHAT??S THE USE OF THEM?

In my line of work as a Computer Repair Tech, I can tell you that without a doubt, 90% of all computer and software elated problems are user error.

Daniel must be doing something inherently wrong that is causeing this problem. Or his hardware is getting a little long in the tooth. Computers are not designed to last forever Daniel. Yes there are some old computers out there that are still chugging along, but lets face the facts. Celestia has advanced over time and so has its requirements for the nicer add-ons. Your system may just be working at its limits, hence you are going to have to live with the way things are.

Also have you considered that you may have a damaged install of Windows XP. I can't tell you how many times I have installed XP over the years, it must be in the upper hundreds. Out of all those installs, I would say at 25% end up being a bad install for what ever reason or another. So it makes me wipe the drive and install again. If you have install XP recently and it hasn't worked properly from the begining you may be having such a problem. Or simply installing an application or driver can upset Windows XP ballance and send it into fits. You may not ntice a problem until you need to run a certain app. But when in doubt, and if you have a spare hard drive, grab it and put it in the computer and run a new install on it and see what happens. If you do everthing right and find this install works better than you found the problem. If its the same than I think you may have to point to some piece of hardware on your system as the culprit. You may not like that, but sometimes its the truth. And due to your financial restraints down there in Brazil, youare going to have to live with these problems for the time being.

Sorry I can't be more help, but thats about as far as I can take you. The rest is up to you.

Don. Edwards

[Don. Edwards]

danielj,

There have been changes in the codebase of Celestia since 1.4.1., so you have to choices at this point and I am going to be very blunt and to the point here.

Either live with the changes to Celestia 1.5.x pre or stick to 1.4.1 and put up and shut up about it. You seem to be the only one carrying on about this. So the problem is at your end and I am more than convinced that a screwed up install of XP is the cause. So at this point, either clean up your XP install by doing a fresh install or live with it. We can't fix a problem that is in your computer and can't be seen by anyone else. You always seem to try and point the finger at Celestia being the problem when it?€™s obvious the problem is the person sitting at the chair in front of your computer. Reinstalling XP is a well known industry standard in fixing things like this. So grow up and stop pestering all of us until you fix things at your end.

Enough said, I will not deal with you in any post until you figure out the in and outs about how the basics of Windows XP runs. Like the basics of doing an install, one of the easiest things to do. Good luck


And to everyone else out there in the forum.

Sorry if this sounds a bit heavy handed, but at some point he has to grow up and take responsibility of his own darn computer and do what it takes to fix it. If he isn?€™t willing to fix the problem, than just ignore him from this point on, I know am.


Don. Edwards

[danielj]

You prefer to ignore ME?But the fact is that your explanation looks good,but it is flawed.It??s highly improbable that the problem is with the installation of the Windows XP,simply because the Celestia 1.4.1 with ALL addons in the Extras folder runs much more smoothly than Celestia 1.5.0 pre3 with only ONE addon in the Extras folder.So,the problem is simple:Celestia optimization is needed.
And anyway,I have a challenge to you.How many developers DON??T have more than 1 gig of RAM and a dual core CPU.I think there is quite a few...
If you want to ignore me in this post,maybe we can talk in pm!What do you think?
And for your information,very few people write in this forum,so you don??t know if only me is suffering this breakdowns...

danielj,

There have been changes in the codebase of Celestia since 1.4.1., so you have to choices at this point and I am going to be very blunt and to the point here.

Either live with the changes to Celestia 1.5.x pre or stick to 1.4.1 and put up and shut up about it. You seem to be the only one carrying on about this. So the problem is at your end and I am more than convinced that a screwed up install of XP is the cause. So at this point, either clean up your XP install by doing a fresh install or live with it. We can't fix a problem that is in your computer and can't be seen by anyone else. You always seem to try and point the finger at Celestia being the problem when it?€™s obvious the problem is the person sitting at the chair in front of your computer. Reinstalling XP is a well known industry standard in fixing things like this. So grow up and stop pestering all of us until you fix things at your end.

Enough said, I will not deal with you in any post until you figure out the in and outs about how the basics of Windows XP runs. Like the basics of doing an install, one of the easiest things to do. Good luck


And to everyone else out there in the forum.

Sorry if this sounds a bit heavy handed, but at some point he has to grow up and take responsibility of his own darn computer and do what it takes to fix it. If he isn?€™t willing to fix the problem, than just ignore him from this point on, I know am.


Don. Edwards

[fsgregs]

Don:

I've installed Nvidia driver 94.24 for my 7600 card and it works fine, but strangely, the Nvidia control panel does NOT give me more than 3 tabs to click on. They are 3D settings, Display and Video (see screenshot below). There is no "Performance" tab which is shown as part of the control Panel in the Nvidia Help menus. Likewise, when I open the 3D settings tab, there is no specific tab to allow me to change clockspeed, something that the Nvidia website claims I can do through the 3D settings tab.

Here is a screenshot of MY Nvidia control panel with 94.24:



Any idea what is going on??

Frank

[selden]

Are all the options available if you switch back to the "classic" view?

[Don. Edwards]

Hey Frank,

Nvidia has ripped the perfomance features out of the control panel and moved them to the nTune program for system diagnosis and and sytem tuning. A bad idea as far as I am concerned. So having just three items in the panel is normal. When nTune is installed you get an aditional two more options in the main panel window.


I actualy have to roll back to a previous driver because the control panel isn't displaying right for some reason. I suspect there have been just to many changes made to my present install of XP and its time for a fresh start.
BTW, I moved up to another newer driver 158.xx series drivers. They work but again the control panel is a busted, so I am going back to the 94.xx series drivers.

Don. Edwards

[Don. Edwards]

Hey Frank,

Another follow up here. This is what the NVcontrol panel will look like with nTune installed.




If you decide to install nTune, don't install the newest version. There is something wrong with it. It breaks the iconized view above and sticks you with a menu list at the side more like the old style drivers. I personaly like the iconized view of the window myself, but I suppose many prefer the old way of doing things and maybe Nvidia is changing the panel back to this look.

The newest version of nTune out is build 5.05.38.00, the one I am using is 5.05.25.00. Both are compatible with the newest driver release 94.24 of the Forceware drivers and will intergrate themselves, but as I said in differnt ways. The tool has allot of functions that are for NForce based motherboards, but there are areas for monitoring and overclocking the graphics card as well.

I hope helps with your question. If you need to know anything else just ask. By the way, the image above is not in Vista, it is XP so it will look pretty much the same on your machine.

Don. Edwards