New WIN XP nVidia drivers for 4-5-6-7000 and Quadro cards

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New WIN XP nVidia drivers for 4-5-6-7000 and Quadro cards

Post #1by ANDREA » 04.06.2007, 07:34

Happy to inform all nVidia users that, after 7 months, nVidia issued the new 94.24 drivers for Win XP and WIN 2000, that you can find here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_94.24.html
They are valid for all the GeForce cards, excluding only the 8000 serries, for which anyhow there are lot of drivers. :wink:
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Re: New WIN XP nVidia drivers for 4-5-6-7000 and Quadro card

Post #2by danielj » 04.06.2007, 21:06

FINNALY!
This means that at least until now,people that don??t have either Geforce 8 or Windows Vista is still not abandoned.


ANDREA wrote:Happy to inform all nVidia users that, after 7 months, nVidia issued the new 94.24 drivers for Win XP and WIN 2000, that you can find here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_94.24.html
They are valid for all the GeForce cards, excluding only the 8000 serries, for which anyhow there are lot of drivers. :wink:
Enjoy!
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Re: New WIN XP nVidia drivers for 4-5-6-7000 and Quadro card

Post #3by ANDREA » 04.06.2007, 21:16

danielj wrote:FINNALY!
This means that at least until now,people that don??t have either Geforce 8 or Windows Vista is still not abandoned.

That's right!

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Post #4by LordFerret » 05.06.2007, 02:13

Alas, no updates for my integrated device. :(

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Post #5by Don. Edwards » 05.06.2007, 11:03

Hmmm, thats funny, these are build 94.24, I have been using build 97.73 for several months now. I find this very interesting indeed.

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Post #6by t00fri » 05.06.2007, 11:27

Don. Edwards wrote:Hmmm, thats funny, these are build 94.24, I have been using build 97.73 for several months now. I find this very interesting indeed.

Don. Edwards


Correct. I also use 97.73 since months, since only that version supports the CUDA compilation via GPU in real mode (G80) or emulation mode (< G80)

see,

http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda.html#downloads

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Post #7by ANDREA » 05.06.2007, 11:48

Don. Edwards wrote:Hmmm, thats funny, these are build 94.24, I have been using build 97.73 for several months now. I find this very interesting indeed. Don. Edwards

Don, don't know what is 97.73, probably a beta release, but for 7000 series cards like your one and VISTA, now there is the 158.24, release date: June 1, 2007, here for VISTA 64
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.24.html
while for VISTA 32, release date: June 1, 2007, here is the right one
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_158.24.html
Hope this helps.
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Post #8by danielj » 05.06.2007, 15:47

It appears that I was mistaken.NVIDIA really DON??T CARE about Win XP and Geforce 6/7.The perfomance was slightly worse than 93.71 in 3D Mark 2005.I will try another benchmarks,but it seen that Nvidia did no effort in improving the perfomance of the "old" video cards under Windows XP,which is a SHAME...


ANDREA wrote:
Don. Edwards wrote:Hmmm, thats funny, these are build 94.24, I have been using build 97.73 for several months now. I find this very interesting indeed. Don. Edwards
Don, don't know what is 97.73, probably a beta release, but for 7000 series cards like your one and VISTA, now there is the 158.24, release date: June 1, 2007, here for VISTA 64
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_158.24.html
while for VISTA 32, release date: June 1, 2007, here is the right one
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_158.24.html
Hope this helps.
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Post #9by Boux » 05.06.2007, 18:48

I have tried them all.
Currently, the best XP ones for me are 165.01.
Give it a go.
A good place to download from is laptopvideo2go.com with modded *.inf to fit your video card.
As usual, mileage may vary.
Looks like latest CVS Celestia likes them and does not crash when Gigabytes of textures are thrown in.
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Post #10by danielj » 05.06.2007, 19:36

No,you are wrong.The driver 100.XX are EXCLUSIVE for Geforce 8 series.I tried to download one and it didn??t work.I have a Geforce 7 7600 GT...

Boux wrote:I have tried them all.
Currently, the best XP ones for me are 165.01.
Give it a go.
A good place to download from is laptopvideo2go.com with modded *.inf to fit your video card.
As usual, mileage may vary.
Looks like latest CVS Celestia likes them and does not crash when Gigabytes of textures are thrown in.

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Post #11by t00fri » 05.06.2007, 19:44

danielj wrote:No,you are wrong.The driver 100.XX are EXCLUSIVE for Geforce 8 series.I tried to download one and it didn??t work.I have a Geforce 7 7600 GT...

Boux wrote:I have tried them all.
Currently, the best XP ones for me are 165.01.
Give it a go.
A good place to download from is laptopvideo2go.com with modded *.inf to fit your video card.
As usual, mileage may vary.
Looks like latest CVS Celestia likes them and does not crash when Gigabytes of textures are thrown in.


Daniel,

the big problem with you is that you INSIST without knowing!

I just installed the NVIDIA driver 158.27 for my Quadro NVS 110M (G72 chip) ~ Go 7300 in my Notebook

This is an even lower number than your 7600. The 158.27 driver is MS WHQL certified and works MUCH faster than what I had before...

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Post #12by danielj » 05.06.2007, 22:16

This driver is exclusively for Windows VISTA.
I said before:the good drivers are for Win Vista or Geforce 8.
There are good drivers that work with Geforce 6/7 or lower,but YOU HAVE TO BE WINDOWS VISTA.Geforce 6 and 7 and below, under Windows XP are abandoned...
There is,off course,the beta drivers,but it requires modifications that can be dangerous,so I don??t trust them.
I tested the new driver(94.24) and the perfomance in Celestia is poor,not very different than before.If I put the Hubble and below there is the Earth BMNG,the program lock down entirely.
Until now,the only benefit is that I get almost 1000 more points in Aquamark3 under 94.24 than with 93.31...

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Post #13by t00fri » 05.06.2007, 22:26

danielj wrote:This driver is exclusively for Windows VISTA.
I said before:the good drivers are for Win Vista or Geforce 8.
There are good drivers that work with Geforce 6/7 or lower,but YOU HAVE TO BE WINDOWS VISTA.Geforce 6 and 7 and below, under Windows XP are abandoned...
There is,off course,the beta drivers,but it requires modifications that can be dangerous,so I don??t trust them.
I tested the new driver(94.24) and the perfomance in Celestia is poor,not very different than before.If I put the Hubble and below there is the Earth BMNG,the program lock down entirely.
Until now,the only benefit is that I get almost 1000 more points in Aquamark3 under 94.24 than with 93.31...


The driver 158.27 that I installed today is NOT exclusively for Vista, it's for XP. It is good and fast. I don't use Vista. But I installed successfully 158.27.

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Post #14by t00fri » 05.06.2007, 22:33

danielj wrote:I tested the new driver(94.24) and the perfomance in Celestia is poor,not very different than before.


But speed is only a minor factor for NVIDIA at this point of their driver development. They would simply argue that people should buy a faster graphics card if they wanted more speed. NVIDIA does not care whatsoever whether you have the money for this or not. Many people do have the money. That's good enough for NVIDIA.

Besides speed there are many other more important factors in driver development: new cards, multi screen concerns etc. That's why 94.24 is better than previous drivers.

You should not always project your narrow personal point of view into this. You are not typical and thus not "statistically relevant" ;-)

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Post #15by Don. Edwards » 05.06.2007, 23:16

danielj,

Listen carefully and I will tell you the tale of the Nvidia Forceware drivers. Nvidia, years ago decided to all our benefit to unify all the drivers for their graphics cards under one name and package. This was called the Detonator drivers and it lived for a few years until the FX series video cards came along, and Nvidia changed the name to Forceware. Now the same rule applies to the Forceware drivers as it did to the Detonator drivers. They are all universal for most of the long list of Nvidia cards. This is still the case even for the drivers that you seem to think are for the 8xxx series only. Nvidia simply edited the "nvam.inf" in the installer and that removed support for all the older cards. So what happens when you insert a version of the "nvam.inf" that supports all the cards for the last few years? You get new drivers for your card, that?€™s what you get. All those improvements that are being added to the Forceware drivers are being given to only the elite that paid the big money for the new cards. This is one way to force more unknowing people to upgrade their cards to the newer ones. These people do what you do, they go to the site and see the same old driver and think, that?€™s it for my card, I have to go buy a new one if I want driver support. With just a bit of work you can have the newer drivers up and running on your system. All you have to do is a little research and you can have you very own custom made drivers.

OK I am finished.....

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Post #16by Don. Edwards » 06.06.2007, 00:35

I can confirm that the above method works for installing the 101.19 build of the Forceware drivers.

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These drivers seem to be working fine at this point. Celestia performs quite well. I have yet to try it with any games but I am sure that if Celestia is working that any games will be working as well.

I did try to do this mod with the 158.22 Forceware 8xxx series drivers, but that install ended with a broken Nvidia Control panel application. So if anyone wishes to give these drivers a try, I am going to post a download link for them. They are prepatched for install on Windows 2000, XP Home, XP Pro, and Media Center. The zip file containing the drivers is 57megs. All you have to do is unzip it and run the setup program inside. Of course I have fully verified that there are no infections of any kind in the package.
I am uploading it right now so the url may not work for a while, but be patient. Also be warned that your milage may vary with these drivers. So I of course can't promise they will work for you. But its worth a try at this point.

Download here

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Post #17by danielj » 07.06.2007, 14:39

I tested the new driver,actually the Forceware 111.19 and I??m not impressed.The white screens in Celestia continues and I have a big decrease of perfomance in Aquamark3,3DMark2003 and 3DMark 2001 SE,compared with 94.24.I don??t think it??s worth a while.
Actually,the driver couldn??t copy the files nvnt4cp.dll and nvmccs.dll,but I don??t know if it interferes with the perfomance...

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Post #18by danielj » 07.06.2007, 15:36

It??s strange.It appears that 1 GB of RAM is not enough for Celestia hires textures.I put the Virtual Memory in 2 GB,and the program said it is not ENOUGH :? ,because it run out of virtua memory...
Now I put the Virtual Memory in 2.5 GB and I will see if the white screens stop.But the recommended is 1.5 GB and there in nothig like this in Celestia 1.4.1
Could be the fact that I put the catalog of 1 million stars?

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Post #19by selden » 07.06.2007, 18:03

Daniel,

Virtual memory is needed for the sum of all of the programs running on your computer. You should check to make sure you don't have a lot of other programs running at the same time. If you leave Firefox running all of the time with a large cache, that could cause memory problems.

You should open the task manager and look at the Processes tab to see how much memory Celestia is using by itself.

The 2 million star addon only increases Celestia to 200MB on my system, so I don't think that is your problem. If Celestia is large, it's probably due to all of the other Addons you have loaded at the same time. Having many Addons loaded would also explain why Celestia is so slow for you and why you see "white windows". Get rid of the Addons you aren't looking at: put them in some other directory outside of Celestia.
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Post #20by danielj » 07.06.2007, 21:21

Sorry,but you are WRONG.The number of addons of Celestia 1.4.1 is much bigger than Celestia 1.5.0 pre3 and even so,the former runs much more smoother.
There is something wrong with pre3 itself or the Nvidia driver...


selden wrote:Daniel,

Virtual memory is needed for the sum of all of the programs running on your computer. You should check to make sure you don't have a lot of other programs running at the same time. If you leave Firefox running all of the time with a large cache, that could cause memory problems.

You should open the task manager and look at the Processes tab to see how much memory Celestia is using by itself.

The 2 million star addon only increases Celestia to 200MB on my system, so I don't think that is your problem. If Celestia is large, it's probably due to all of the other Addons you have loaded at the same time. Having many Addons loaded would also explain why Celestia is so slow for you and why you see "white windows". Get rid of the Addons you aren't looking at: put them in some other directory outside of Celestia.


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