NASA project is dead -Let's establish our own education site

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Post #21by don » 11.10.2003, 01:25

Alan, thank you for posting those links! It is good to know that NASA is still interested in encouraging youngsters to explore our solar system in different ways. I'm not very young any more myself, but I've spent most of the day (on and off) exploring through those links and enjoying myself.

Frank, as I'm sure you already know, there are many ways to educate and encourage young minds of different ages. What NASA has on the web site links Alan provided seems like it would be good for young children. Yes, I agree that it is way too simple, and cutsie, for high-school kids or adults, but it seems designed for in-class use where the teacher plays the most important part -- "teaching" the kids about the images they are looking at on their computer screens, with Celestia being a 3-D, animated slide projector. Your activities seem best designed for the next level -- junior and senior high school kids, and adults with limited science / space education -- for off-line, in-depth teaching. So, there is a place for both :) , and more!

I would like to hope this is an on-going project at NASA and will not stop with this one activity. I can see at least two more "levels" of activities fitting in here -- one for teens / young adults and one for adults with some decent science in their minds already.

So, by all means, full speed ahead on ALL fronts, young, mid and older :!: :D .

-Don G.

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Post #22by John Van Vliet » 13.10.2003, 07:59

Hi all ,sary to hear abuot the project being dead
I would love to help . even though i dont type much
and i am still in the early stages fo learning how to biuld a site
still cant spell ohwell

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Post #23by John Van Vliet » 14.10.2003, 20:00

hi fsgregs i will see what i can come up with using Geeklog seeing as i was planing to redesign my site give me a few days and use the link for my new site in my sig .

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Post #24by adamnieman » 20.10.2003, 16:10

Hi Frank et al,

All this talk of an education site is very interesting. I think that Celestia can support learners in a huge range of ways and a site that brought ideas and best practice together would be an enormously valuable resource.

Celestia instills a sense of wonder in users with an interest in astronomy who are prepared to put in some work. However, I am particularly interested in people with apparently no interest in astronomy. I would be keen to hear ideas about how to share the sense of wonder with casual users who have never stopped to think about their place in the Cosmos.

I am currently investigating the possibility of using Celestia in an education project supported by NESTA Futurelab (http://www.nestafuturelab.org). The project is called Welcome to the Neighbourhood (WTTN) and is aimed at casual passers-by rather than school students. The idea is to link virtual experience with actual, concrete experience of the universe to allow people to feel part of a celestial 'neighbourhood' rather than thinking that space is something 'elsewhere'.

WTTN incorporates a (patented) signpost located outdoors that points at (and tracks) a Solar System object. An electronic display on the sign's arm shows the name of the object and the distance to it (which will, of course, be changing).

The idea is that passers-by (with apparently no interest at all in astronomy) will be intrigued by the signpost and stop to play with it. A kiosk with a touch screen allows them to select a new object for the sign to point to. The display will then give the user the view they would have of the object if they had super vision. In addition, there are several other features envisaged, including a way to compare the object with the Earth.

We will be conducting tests of the interface with users and I will be happy to report on the results on the education site. One interesting difference between this project and the activities Frank developed is that we have to assume no willingness to learn Celestia in our users. At the moment I am planning some sort of Flash front end which calls CEL scripts.

Any comments on this particular project (especially ideas for the interface) would be very welcome.

Rest assured! whatever NASA may or may not do with the activities, your hard work has not been in vain. As with the development of Celestia itself, your pioneering effort is enormously valuable to those who follow in your footsteps.

(apologies for the long post :oops: my first too!)

Adam
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Post #25by fsgregs » 20.10.2003, 21:15

Dear Adam:

Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the enthusiasm regarding an education website. Many of us are excited about the idea. Obviously, there are a variety of things that Celestia can do to augment education, from a simple posting of some cel:url's that take folks on a brief tour, to a scripted journey which one clicks on and a complete animated journey takes place, to the step by step lesson plans that I have written, with worksheets to complete, etc. Some of this may have an excellent place on the NESTA Futurelab.

By Friday, I will be posting on my website what I feel is the most visual Activity I've written, a complete journey through the life cycle of stars. It has many stops, including a witness to the death of the Earth and much of our solar system. Look for it and download it and its add-ons from my site, then try them out. See if they fit with the mission of NESTA. We are looking for a high capacity server to host the Celestia education page. If it takes off, there will be lots of traffic and lots of downloads. If you have an interest and the equipment, perhaps we could collaborate.

Regards,

Frank

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Post #26by Guest » 21.10.2003, 09:45

Hi Frank,

I'll look forward to seeing the Activity and the add-ons. At the moment, I don't have access to much Web space, let alone a high capacity server :(. That might change in the next few weeks though :D. I'll keep you informed.

Best wishes,

Adam


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