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Two planets at HW Vir

Post #1by Hungry4info » 25.11.2008, 01:35

The sdB+M Eclipsing Binary System HW Virginis and its Circumbinary Planets
http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.3807

Abstract wrote:For the very short-period sdB eclipsing binary HW Vir, we present new CCD photometry made from 2000 through 2008. In order to obtain consistency of the binary parameters, our new light curves were analyzed simultaneously with previously published radial-velocity data. The secondary star parameters of $M_2$=0.14 M$_\odot$, $R_2$=0.18 R$_\odot$, and $T_2$=3,084 K are consistent with those of an M6-7 main sequence star. More than 250 times of minimum light, including our 41 timings and spanning more than 24 yrs, were used for a period study. From a detailed analysis of the $O$--$C$ diagram, it emerged that the orbital period of HW Vir has varied as a combination of a downward-opening parabola and two sinusoidal variations, with cycle lengths of $P_3$=15.8 yr and $P_4$=9.1 yr and semi-amplitudes of $K_3$=77 s and $K_4$=23 s, respectively. The continuous period decrease with a rate of $-8.28\times10^{-9}$ d yr$^{-1}$ may be produced by angular momentum loss due to magnetic stellar wind braking but not by gravitational radiation. Of the possible causes of the cyclical components of the period change, apsidal motion and magnetic period modulation can be ruled out. The most reasonable explanation of both cyclical variations is a pair of light-travel-time effects driven by the presence of two substellar companions with projected masses of $M_3 \sin i_3$=19.2 M$\rm_{Jup}$ and $M_4 \sin i_4$=8.5 M$\rm_{Jup}$. The two objects are the first circumbinary planets known to have been formed in a protoplanetary disk as well the first ones discovered by using the eclipse-timing method. The detection implies that planets could be common around binary stars just as are planets around single stars and demonstrates that planetary systems formed in a circumbinary disk can survive over long time scales.

HW Vir c (the outermost planet)
Mass = 19.2 M_j
Period = 15.8 yr.
e=0.46
i=81 degrees (assuming coplanarity with the host stars)
a = 5.3 AU

HW Vir d (the innermost planet)
Mass = 8.5 M_j
Period = 9.1 yr.
e = 0.31
i = 81 degrees (again, assuming coplanarity)
a = 3.6 AU.


Has that glitch to where planets that orbit a barycentre are given 0 temperature been addressed? We're up to three circumbinary planets now...
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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #2by ajtribick » 25.11.2008, 11:34

There's no real evidence these planets are designated "c" and "d"

In fact the nomenclature for circumbinary planets seems to be unaddressed by any of the papers about the PSR B1620-26 system, or by this paper about HW Virginis (refers to them as the third and fourth components), or by any papers about putative planets around CM Dra.

SIMBAD assigns the designation "b" to the PSR B1620-26 planet, which implies HW Vir's planets would be "b" and "c"... Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia is no help here because its software constraints appear to force all planets to follow the b,c,d,... pattern, even when this is not the typical usage (e.g. PSR B1257+12 A,B,C)

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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #3by ajtribick » 25.11.2008, 17:56

As for whether this is a believable system, this is what Gravity Simulator says happens...

The green trail represents the planet, the purple trail represents the brown dwarf.

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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #4by Hungry4info » 27.11.2008, 20:49

ajtribick wrote:There's no real evidence these planets are designated "c" and "d"

Yeah, I just threw some names in, lol. I realise it isn't their designations.

I'm not surprised that the system is unstable in gravity simulator. The paper suggests that the planets might be in resonance, might that save them?
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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #5by ajtribick » 27.11.2008, 22:51

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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #7by symaski62 » 28.11.2008, 00:37

windows 10 directX 12 version
celestia 1.7.0 64 bits
with a general handicap of 80% and it makes much d' efforts for the community and s' expimer, thank you d' to be understanding.

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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #8by ajtribick » 02.12.2008, 14:22

(withdrew add-on because of a bug in the setup of the eclipsing binary... new version coming soon)

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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #9by ajtribick » 20.12.2008, 14:38

New fixed version of the add-on. Should work on v1.5.1 as well as SVN version.

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Re: Two planets at HW Vir

Post #10by Hungry4info » 21.12.2008, 18:15

Thanks =)
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