Qestion...

[Milosz21]

I saw my unizped file at computer and lucky for me i didn't find white spaces in names of textures.
But this will be mistake when white spaces is in names of folders included in zip file?

I hope not....

[Milosz21]

Sorry this post is for my Tangier system topic, i didn't now how i do this

I need someone delete this...

[ElChristou]

Hello, in general it's better to avoid any spaces, this way you will be sure your addon will run smoothly on any platform.

[Milosz21]

Thank you for fast respond, now i fell more ease

I need "mods" for delete this topic is maded by my mistake, originally i want to made new post not topic and i don't now how i do this

[BobHegwood]

Thank you for fast respond, now i fell more ease

I need "mods" for delete this topic is maded by my mistake, originally i want to made new post not topic and i don't now how i do this

You can delete a topic as long as no one has replied to it. After that, you'll have to ask Selden (Our esteemed moderator) to delete the entire thread. Just send a Private Message to him by clicking HERE and then clicking on the appropriate instruction to send him a PM.

By the way, you CAN leave spaces in the names of things... It's simply that not all users can use an add-on if it is created this way. Those users (Linux I think?) will have to rename and/or adjust the add-ons to run on their systems, so you'd be saving them some work by not including the spaces.

[steffens]

Linux should have no problems with spaces in file names.
Just make sure that file names match exactly what is specified in .ssc files, as linux (and other OS's) file systems are case sensitive. "myTexture.jpg" and "MyTexture.JPG" are not the same files!

steffens

[BobHegwood]

Linux should have no problems with spaces in file names.
steffens

Sorry Steffens, I'm afraid that I have absolutely no idea what the different systems can or cannot do.
However, I always try to make certain that (for whatever situations that I am aware of) the rules we try to enforce are enforced. The caps situation I have run into quite a few times...

However, files with these problems can still be used can they not? Don't you simply have to rename the files at your end? I ask this only out of curiosity, because I know that I personally almost always revise any add-on I download so that it meets with my own specific (and somewhat peculiar) requirements.

[steffens]

However, files with these problems can still be used can they not? Don't you simply have to rename the files at your end?

Exactly.

steffens

[t00fri]

Linux should have no problems with spaces in file names.
Just make sure that file names match exactly what is specified in .ssc files, as linux (and other OS's) file systems are case sensitive. "myTexture.jpg" and "MyTexture.JPG" are not the same files!

steffens

it is true that a consistent implementation of such file names will presumably run fine. Yet, such names may well be unnecessary reasons for problems by Linux newbies, if they want to manipulate such file names in any way! This is a FACT, born out by lots of respective incidences, notably, if these people have used Windows before. If one copies/moves such files or loads them into a Linux editor and does not /escape/ the space between the words via \ or by putting the whole name into quotes, trouble is pre-programmed.

So, from plenty of respective experience with Linux beginners, I can only strongly plea to request exclusion of multi-word filenames with whitespace from the beginning!

Fridger

[duds26]

You can try that for yourself,
Download Ubuntu 8.04 burn it on a cd, insert cd while windows is running and install it as a regular program in windows, that runs like a program in windows.
But it's in fact Linux !!! Thanks to something that's called wubi.

Have tried ubuntu and didn't noticed any problems with spaces in names.

Recent distributions shouldn't have trouble,
just for safety check for capital or small letters, and use UTF-8 !!!
This way every application that supports UTF-8 should represent it correctly, don't know if this counts for the names of the files too.

Instead of space you can use "_", it's almost the same and should work fine on older systems.

[selden]

Spaces are a serious problem in file names when one uses the terminal/ command line interface
or when one writes a shell script to manipulate files.

This is true under Windows, too.
People who only know how to use the GUI don't notice the problem.

[steffens]

it is true that a consistent implementation of such file names will presumably run fine. Yet, such names may well be unnecessary reasons for problems by Linux newbies, if they want to manipulate such file names in any way! This is a FACT, born out by lots of respective incidences, notably, if these people have used Windows before. If one copies/moves such files or loads them into a Linux editor and does not /escape/ the space between the words via \ or by putting the whole name into quotes, trouble is pre-programmed.

So, from plenty of respective experience with Linux beginners, I can only strongly plea to request exclusion of multi-word filenames with whitespace from the beginning!

Yes, of course you are right! Special care has to be taken when filenames contain spaces. But

Spaces are a serious problem in file names when one uses the terminal/ command line interface or when one writes a shell script to manipulate files.

This is true under Windows, too.
People who only know how to use the GUI don't notice the problem.

This is what I meant. File names with spaces are no problem for Celestia, and inexperienced users, especially those coming from Windows, tend to use graphical file managers (Nautilus, Konqueror, ...) for file copying/moving, not the command line. Those who work on the command line should be aware of the problems, and there is no difference to Windows at that level. Tab-completion also helps with escaping spaces in filenames while typing, so it's not all that uncomfortable.

steffens

[t00fri]

Spaces are a serious problem in file names when one uses the terminal/ command line interface
or when one writes a shell script to manipulate files.

This is true under Windows, too.
People who only know how to use the GUI don't notice the problem.

Selden,

are you saying there is a fair fraction of Linux users who only use their OS via a GUI interface?? That's really hard to believe and would be a shame. Linux is precisely the OS where one still can enjoy all the power of a great command line shell. Linux = UNIX! after all.

I think I am getting old...

Fridger

[selden]

Fridger,

Yes, quite a few people now use only GUI interfaces.

Traditional software development usually requires a shell interface, but many people are interested only in running specific GUI applications -- word processing, mail, Web browsing, image or video editing, etc.

In order to try to break into the Windows marketplace, most of the Linux vendors seem to be doing their best to make shell interfaces unnecessary, even for software development.

[zhar2]

Well the problem with linux OS is that its not directed to the common user, its very hard to install anything (programs, drivers and so on), very hard to install printers, very hard to do wireless networking, the annoying need to use often the command console, the need for passwords and logins, the lack of support for programs and gaming (no way im gona pay for cedega).

If fedora, ubuntu and othera could resolve those issues more people would start using linux.

Im all for linux but becouse of those hurdles ive got fedora in only one of my pc's.

[t00fri]

Fridger,

Yes, quite a few people now use only GUI interfaces.

Traditional software development usually requires a shell interface, but many people are interested only in running specific GUI applications -- word processing, mail, Web browsing, image or video editing, etc.

In order to try to break into the Windows marketplace, most of the Linux vendors seem to be doing their best to make shell interfaces unnecessary, even for software development.

So,

instead of rising with time, the level of computer knowledge in the population DROPPED markedly due to the enormous efforts of thousands of developers worldwide to transform Linux into a Windows clone!

My God...

There must be something that hurts in peoples' bodies/minds, when it comes to learning things . The point being that command line UNIX is VERY powerful and elegant, and can never be matched by GUI clicking.

Fridger

[zhar2]

Well i wouldnt take it as a negative, it just shows that the graphical interface wins over commands lines (that i understand and can work with it but avoid if possible), its all about being user friendly of which many linux OS are not and only catter for a niche market and not the overall num-nutts users tat just want to have something that works easily, quick and without think much, which is not a bad thing if it attracts higher numbers of costumers (im afraid to say the ideological command line interface is not favored amongst consumers)

[BobHegwood]

If I may here...

The Good Doctor normally has very good reasons to use a command shell because he's doing things which require a BATCH-processing capability.

Normally, the rest of us Bozos do not need this capability (except under special circumstances) and are quite happy to accomplish the most amount of work with the least amount of effort.
However, this is progress? Is it not?

[t00fri]

If I may here...

The Good Doctor normally has very good reasons to use a command shell because he's doing things which require a BATCH-processing capability.

Normally, the rest of us Bozos do not need this capability (except under special circumstances) and are quite happy to accomplish the most amount of work with the least amount of effort.
However, this is progress? Is it not?

Bob,

Windows users traditionally don't bother with command shells. Whatever their reasons . That's why they have decided to buy Windows, rather than to install LINUX.

What is a bit shocking to me is that more and more of that Linux community which traditionally had much more KNOW HOW as required for successful Linux operation, is now transformed into Windows type, exclusive GUI users. By means of this recent built-in click "luxus", many Linux users apparently are on the virge of forgetting (or never learning) the powerful commands that once made up UNIX or specifically Linux...

That development I consider pretty sad.

Bye Fridger

[scaddenp]

I think that people using exclusive GUI interfaces arent people that would have learned command line well enough to unleash the power anyway. GUIs make computers more accessible to less literate or occasional users.