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WHAAAhahahaaa !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjgidAIC ... ed&search=

Boy !

Just goes to show, you can lead a person to water, but you can't make him think....

Frankly, I will always wonder why these people need to come up with far more complicated and improbable theories when the facts are so much simpler and more elegant.

...John...

So... the Earth is expanding eh? So they advocate that all the planets are expanding. What happens when the planets get immensely large (on the order of AU in radius)?

Hungry4info wrote:So... the Earth is expanding eh? So they advocate that all the planets are expanding. What happens when the planets get immensely large (on the order of AU in radius)?

Oh, that's when a hole rips open at one of the poles and the planet goes flying out of orbit at uncontrollable speeds, making a "phhthppppp!!!" noise the whole way.

Dollan wrote:Oh, that's when a hole rips open at one of the poles and the planet goes flying out of orbit at uncontrollable speeds, making a "phhthppppp!!!" noise the whole way.

Good one

Actually I took some time to do the math just 'cause I can and I found absolutely hilarious the guy thinks it true that the earth would increase its volume six-fold during the last 100 million years and if an animation on his home page is to be believed that much time ago the Earth had no mantle. Yeah, right! Where did all that mass come from anyway?

Dracontes wrote:Yeah, right! Where did all that mass come from anyway?

Well, it's simple : the mass didn't changed, obviously. Only the density changed (I'm taking the view point of that funky guy ! ). So in the past, Earth's density was higher. Because of the high internal pressure and temperature, the planet dilatated (expanded) until it reached its actual equilibrium and final (?) radius. It's so simple, it MUST be true.

It's a modern technique of argument: proof by computer graphics.

--Chris

Hungry4info wrote:So... the Earth is expanding eh? So they advocate that all the planets are expanding. What happens when the planets get immensely large (on the order of AU in radius)?

Is not the universe and all matter within it expanding?

The universe is expanding. The matter within it is just along for the ride.

It would be funny if it weren't so earnest.

Yeah! But what if all that mass and energy were to be in a space soooooooooo small that 1 millimeter of this would weigh about 10 trillion times the weight of all the bodies of our solar system (included are comets, dwarf planets, planets, etc...)? Our heads would take a micrometer beating in the face of all that is humanity. All that helium (if any) would be in a space the size of an electron.



I AM A BIG MONKEY!

This request is in the order of light years per hour. All processes must be here in duplicate quantum time of 20 yoctoseconds.

Here is a little something from the universe.



IN BOLD LETTERS PLEASE:

I AM A BIG MONKEY! HA! HA! HA HA HA HA!

Cham wrote:

Dracontes wrote:Yeah, right! Where did all that mass come from anyway?

Well, it's simple : the mass didn't changed, obviously. Only the density changed (I'm taking the view point of that funky guy ! ). So in the past, Earth's density was higher. Because of the high internal pressure and temperature, the planet dilatated (expanded) until it reached its actual equilibrium and final (?) radius. It's so simple, it MUST be true.

Actually, while that would be the simpler assumption, I took some time to read into his zanyness and he hypothesizes that it was the lower gravity of that "primitive" Earth that allowed the development of the megafauna of the Mesozoic (dinosaurs, pterosaurs, etc.). He postulates a new model of quantum physics to explain the density-conserving expansion. He just doesn't explain why we don't have only pair instability hipernovae and how the Sun was a red dwarf back then and how did the solar system maintain its orbital stability
It's all a misunderstanding on his part, thinking that an outdated proto-Earth model is actually the truth instead of an hypothesis to be worked upon

Now I sent the guy a short e-mail debunking him just for kicks and now I'm sorta regretting it because I'm not too keen on 'Net drama. I guess I brought it on myself though

If the earth was expanding, then property prices would depreciate over time, (which they clearly do not).

Dracontes wrote:Now I sent the guy a short e-mail debunking him just for kicks and now I'm sorta regretting it because I'm not too keen on 'Net drama. I guess I brought it on myself though

Take it from me (I have personal experience with a friend who believed this clap-trap), you *cannot* convince these people otherwise. They operate solely on the assumption that they are right, and everyone else is wrong, and that only they may relate their convictions with such fervor. Anyone else who reltates *their* fervor with conviction is simply being naive or stupid

I would suggest dropping out of the argument, letting him think he has won. Otherwise, you will never hear the end of it.

...John...

Heh!... I would agree with that, especially considering all the time he'd likely put into developing his graphics model - he'd have to argue it believingly.


And now for something completely different... here's something for sure that is expanding - population. At least they warn you right up front "this is just a simulation".
http://www.breathingearth.net/

This "simulation" is all to real to tell. I can't even tell if it is a simulation at all. Concerning the global warning issue, if we continue to emmit more CO2 into the atmosphere, by the year 2100, global temperatures could exceed 8 degrees. Did you know that in 100 years, if we continue to emmit more CO2 into the atmosphere, we could be looking at a global scale event? The Amazon will become a desert, all low-lying areas (Florida included) will be under meters of water. Did you know that an area of ice the size of California is melting?

We must prepare for the worst disasters in the years ahead, even if we have to die trying

Recently, a construction of a superhome is underway.

Now here's Celestial_Planets with the news.

Lights, Camera, Science!

Oh. By the way, signs of retreating glaciers, heating of the planet's surface, extreme weather paterns and stronger hurricanes (Take Hurricane Katrina for example) are bad.

Celestial_Planets, signing off.

Roger that! Over!

Celestial_Planets wrote:...Recently, a construction of a superhome is underway...

I don't know why, suddently I feel safe...

Easy there. The superhome I just told LordFerret about is just south of Chicago. That house will be taken by a woman I don't know about. Don't worry. By the time technology advances into abundance, people will be safer. Supercomputers, supercars, flying cars, high-tech cities and 22nd century advancements can really be terrific. Humans will be able to travel the galaxies and universe in light speed. If they can live for about 6.2 billion years, then humans will be able to know complex stuff.

Well all the global-warming stuff aside, I found the Breathing Earth population data presentation most interesting. It appears to be quite accurate. Note the number of european nations in (near) zero population growth... some see it as a state of decline, or the begining of a shift.

You might find this interesting as well - Shift Happens.