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Fightspit wrote:It is the nmtool, click here

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Fightspit, please NOTICE that I am seriously offended about you publishing
the tools without any authorization from myself!!
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This is MANIFEST software stealing and as such a criminal act.
Without an explicit apology and an assertion not to hand the archive on further, I will certainly break off all communication with you.

Of course the tools have been immediately removed from the given URL.

Oups, Sorry

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wow...

if you are going to release that under the GPL anyway why bother or should i say literally "explode"?

phoenix wrote:wow...

if you are going to release that under the GPL anyway why bother or should i say literally "explode"?

Because it was an unmoralic act to snatch and publicise software from MY personal directories on shatters.net, before I decide they should be published. But that unfortunately does not count anymore for many...

Yet I am deeply disappointed that something like this happens even among our Celestia community. I am sure I can find the nmtools archive already on one of these French Celestia servers ...

Fightspit wrote:It is the nmtool, click here

t00fri wrote:Without an explicit apology and an assertion not to hand the archive on further, I will certainly break off all communication with you.

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That is not sufficient. We are waiting for a confirmation that you will not distribute it! If you have given it to anyone yet, also contact them immediately and fix it. Really.

- rthorvald

Sorry, I just discover it today and I haven't distributed it to anybody.
I just want to know, why t00fri doesn't want to put this tool in his computer and not in internet until nmtool will be avaible to the public ?

Fightspit wrote:Sorry, I just discover it today and I haven't distributed it to anybody.
I just want to know, why t00fri doesn't want to put this tool in his computer and not in internet until nmtool will be avaible to the public ?

OK, Fightspit,

I take your word for this! Let's see whether that at least has some meaning...

The explanation for the tools being on shatters.net is simple: For reasons of security, my laboratory does not allow me to export any attachment with executable files in .zip, .tgz,...archives via email. Hence to make the code available to my developer friends (like Dirkpitt, Chris (Laurel), Christophe (Teyssier), Runar,... ) who were kindly volunteering to carefully testing the nmtools, I had to upload them to shatters.net. Unfortunately, I just forgot to delete the archive later.

But you were browsing without my authorization in MY PERSONAL directories on shatters.net, which is very bad manners, even if formally possible! That's the same people who also read other people's private letters or their teenage daughter's diary, if they get a chance to do so.

Not enough, you even snatched my software from there.

Bye Fridger

first of all i don't think this forum is the right place to discuss this matter but i do have 1 thing to add:

t00fri wrote:But you were browsing without my authorization in MY PERSONAL directories on shatters.net

while i do understand that you don't want to distribute your nmtools yet
a PUBLIC available directory on a server which is not protected in any way is public and not private!
anyone may search and download anything from there and you can't blame them for doing this.

it's like expose some secret painting on your balkony and then complain about everyone who doesn't close his eyes and turn around immediately

phoenix wrote:...
it's like expose some secret painting on your balkony and then complain about everyone who doesn't close his eyes and turn around immediately

There is a big (moralic) difference between not closing one's eyes in your example and explicitly SEARCHING people's directories and subsequently PUBLISH the URL of the software in question.

It is just like reading other people's private letters if they accidentally happen to lie around on some table...After all, it was /expressively/ stated in my previous post that these tools will ONLY be published when CM opens.

Bye Fridger

there is also a difference between "browsing" and "linking" your program to the public.
thats why I only quoted your "browsing"-statement.

but I don't think that was intentional highjacking your nmtools.
he might just accidentally browsed your directory and found the zip-archive without knowing that you explicit forbid any distribution of it yet.

I don't want to have to lock this thread. The matter of the leaked nmtools seems to be resolved now, so let's return to discussing normal map compression.

--Chris

Fridger, you should admit for yourself that you just made an error. No other person is to blame here, even in this "special" case. You accidentaly made a tool available on a public server, and it happens frequently that some guy come there and download everything for his own curiosity. I have done it myself on other servers in the past, and nobody can blame me for this. There is no "morality" question about all this. Internet is a free place, and everybody has the right to visit any public site and download wathever he wants, be it for his own personal pleasure or whatever else.

Just my 0.02 cent worth personal opinion...

I also think Fightspit has been a bit too curious and not very correct by giving the url in public knowing Fridger's position; I hope not to see such "hacking" in the future...

Uh... sorry to sound like a total idiot (maybe), but what's this nmtool?

nmtool is a program that Fridger's working on which simplifies some of the procedures needed to create a normalmap.

Normalmaps describe the local bumps on a model without actually having to include them in the model's structure. Normalmaps can provide much better vertical resolution than bumpmaps, which are used for the same purpose.