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Post #41by t00fri » 09.01.2006, 15:32

ArtificialDeity wrote:Case in point two: Several years ago researchers caused a particle to exceed the speed of light in a test device by an incredibly infitesimal yet significant measure - enough to shove the "light speed upper limit" principle of Special Relativity into the flat earth obsolete theory files.


You see, that kind of information being spread without any serious basis through the net, is what I dislike deeply. Other people with similar lack of physics background pick such statements up and off we go again...

If there was any serious excess of the speed of light, I would be the first to know about it ;-)

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Post #42by ArtificialDeity » 09.01.2006, 18:16

http://www.boredguru.com/modules/news/a ... tem_id=924

http://www.cpo.com/Weblabs/chap2/doppler3.htm

http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?

Cat=&Board=askastronomer&Number=318731&page=14&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=

"That's not the whole story. Hawking radiation occurs when, due to quantum effects, 'cee' being probabilistic, a photon or particle WITHIN the event horizon, temporarily exceeds light speed. It thus escapes as hawking radiation & the black hole evaporates slowly. The finding of Hawking radiation around a black hole would confirm his theory, which so far lacks any and all substantiation, altho it's entirely consistent with QM."

http://www.wbabin.net/babin/super.htm

http://campus.umr.edu/reactor/cerenkov.html

Do some readin there bucko - "c" has been exceeded, and special relativity is down the pooper - just do a Google search for "Particle exceeds the speed of light".

The resulting phenomenon in experimental situations is called "Cerenkov Radiation" - and on the qauntum level it's often referred to as being called
"Hawking Radiation".

(HUH? DOES I HEARS DA SOUND UV SUMBODEE EATIN A BIG CROW SAMMICH?)...
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Post #43by Hamiltonian » 09.01.2006, 18:26

ArtificialDeity wrote:(HUH? DOES I HEARS DA SOUND UV SUMBODEE EATIN A BIG CROW SAMMICH?)...
First, consider actually reading your own references ... they explain why Cernekov radiation has nothing to do with objects moving faster than c, the speed of light in a vacuum.
Hawking radiation doesn't require things to move faster than light, either.
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Post #44by ArtificialDeity » 09.01.2006, 18:26

oh - by the BYDEEBYE - I MAJORED IN MATHEMATICS AND PHYSICS WITH A MINOR IN STATITISTICS IN COLLEGE.

(OOOOOOOHHHHHHH... :twisted: )
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Post #45by Hamiltonian » 09.01.2006, 18:29

ArtificialDeity wrote:oh - by the BYDEEBYE - I MAJORED IN MATHEMATICS AND PHYSICS WITH A MINOR IN STATITISTICS IN COLLEGE.
Since it was a minor, I guess they didn't have to tell you how to spell "statistics". :(
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Post #46by ArtificialDeity » 09.01.2006, 18:33

No HAMMY - "YOU" SHOULD READ SOME OF MY REFERENCES -
Not all of them say that C cannot be exceeded - a few of those are in the affirmative.If you even bother to do a google search on it you'de see what I mean -
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Post #47by ArtificialDeity » 09.01.2006, 18:36

My my my Hammy - aren't you out of sorts...Resorting to picking on typ'os...
I sorry - did I upset you by argueing with your girlfriend?
My sincerest apologies...
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Post #48by Hamiltonian » 09.01.2006, 18:58

Oh.
I see. You're just trolling. My mistake.
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Post #49by t00fri » 09.01.2006, 19:02

ArtificialDeity wrote:oh - by the BYDEEBYE - I MAJORED IN MATHEMATICS AND PHYSICS WITH A MINOR IN STATITISTICS IN COLLEGE.

(OOOOOOOHHHHHHH... :twisted: )


First: while this is nice, you are not the only one around here ;-) . Even among the Celestia development team most have a Bachelor in Math and|or Physics or more...

DESY being one of the largest Particle Physics laboratories worldwide, has also one of the largest Theoretical Physics groups. Just have a look:

http://www.desy.de/desy-th/members.html

We would certainly have noticed, if there was even the slightest evidence for an excess of the speed of light. The implications would be way larger than a beginner like you could even imagine...

With using the above references to underlign your statements about a measured excess of the speed of light, you unfortunately demonstrate that you are badly mixing up various concepts in this context. Not the best reference, really...

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Post #50by selden » 09.01.2006, 19:17

Since this thread has degenerated into non-science, I'm moving it to the "Purgatory" forum.

*sigh*
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Post #51by BlindedByTheLight » 10.01.2006, 04:55

t00fri wrote:If there was any serious excess of the speed of light, I would be the first to know about it ;-)

Bye Fridger


I beg to differ. If there were any serious excess of the speed of light, that dork-wad cop who keeps hiding in the grove of trees behind my apartment and keeps busting me for going 35 in a 25 would probably be the first to know about it... :)
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Post #52by Scytale » 10.01.2006, 14:59

selden wrote:Since this thread has degenerated into non-science, I'm moving it to the "Purgatory" forum.

*sigh*
why not just cleanup the thread... and the forum user list, for that matter...
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Post #53by Hamiltonian » 10.01.2006, 16:37

Scytale wrote:why not just cleanup the thread... and the forum user list, for that matter...
*Ahem.* (Shuffle.)
I apologize for rising to the bait. :oops:
I should know better.
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Post #54by GlobeMaker » 10.01.2006, 18:32

It is most gratifying to have several people fall for my
automated "robo-taunt". It seems you guys could not
distinguish my text program from a real human. Thank you
for testing my Perl program instantiated as "ArtificialDeity".

This program is now ready to be entered in the Turing Test.
This computer science competition is implemented by the
Loebner Competition. Please reply to this message and I
will instantiate robo-taunt under a new pseudonym. The
trolling subroutine was especially successful. The bait was
taken, the hook bitten, the line held, the sinker dropped.
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Post #55by ajtribick » 10.01.2006, 18:42

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Post #56by selden » 10.01.2006, 18:47

GM,

Intentionally misleading postings like the one above are inappropriate.
Unfortunately, such things are *not* considered funny by any of us.

Such evidence as I have would indicate that AD is a real person, although he does need to improve his social skills.
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Post #57by Malenfant » 10.01.2006, 19:41

GlobeMaker wrote:It is most gratifying to have several people fall for my
automated "robo-taunt". It seems you guys could not
distinguish my text program from a real human.


That's called 'trolling', and is generally discouraged on all forums. Winding people up is not a smart thing to do. :roll:

Though as it is, I usually can't distinguish your writing from that of a robot's anyway. You seem to write in the passive sense far too much, even when you don't need to. Posts on this forum aren't emotionless science papers - it's quite possible to be accurate and informative without writing like a droning machine.
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Post #58by t00fri » 10.01.2006, 19:58

GlobeMaker wrote:It is most gratifying to have several people fall for my
automated "robo-taunt". It seems you guys could not
distinguish my text program from a real human. Thank you
for testing my Perl program instantiated as "ArtificialDeity".
...

GM,

while I am a great PERL fan, I confess that in my opinion this was not a good joke. But why don't you try selling your script to one of the many Russian bot 'entrepreneurs' whose often dumb bots could well need some improvement in their reactions. ;-) . This might even squeeze some money out of your "ingenious idea"...

Finally I wonder whether your script also has random typo generation built in or whether you perhaps put a little helping hand on the posts here and there, like so:

ArtificialDeity wrote:oh - by the BYDEEBYE - I MAJORED IN MATHEMATICS AND PHYSICS WITH A MINOR IN STATITISTICS IN COLLEGE.

(OOOOOOOHHHHHHH... Twisted Evil )


Scripts are usually too stupid for that kind of fancyness ;-)

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Post #59by t00fri » 10.01.2006, 21:07

Malenfant wrote:Though as it is, I usually can't distinguish your writing from that of a robot's anyway.
...


He he, Malenfant,

how about me? A few more emotions involved at times ... ;-)

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Post #60by BlindedByTheLight » 10.01.2006, 21:38

GlobeMaker wrote:It is most gratifying to have several people fall for my automated "robo-taunt". It seems you guys could not
distinguish my text program from a real human.


Okay, maybe I'm just new to the whole concept of trolling... so that was NOT a real person? Or is GlobeMaker being sarcastic?

And if that was NOT a real person and we fell for it...well, is it a testament to the programming capabilities of GM? Or indicative of the noise and irrational crap that a lost of people tend to post? :)
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