Kepler's solar system model (work in progress)

Cham · Post #41by **Cham** » 20.02.2008, 15:58

Ok, thanks Andrea. I was suspecting something like this again, since there's a word ("coelv") close to "saturni", and was guessing it should also be applied to all the other names too.

The case is then closed.

ANDREA · Post #42by **ANDREA** » 20.02.2008, 16:08

Cham wrote:Ok, thanks Andrea. I was suspecting something like this again, since there's a word ("coelv") close to "saturni", and was guessing it should also be applied to all the other names too.
The case is then closed.

You are welcome, Cham. :wink:

Bye

Andrea

Fenerit · Post #43by **Fenerit** » 20.02.2008, 17:38

Sorry Andrea, I've made a superficial lecture of this thread and I've not seen the Cham pictures.
However, I'm pretty sure that in Harmonia macrocosmica of Andreas Cellarius (1661) the planets are:

SATVRNVS
IVPITER
MARS
LVNA
MVNDO
VENVS
MERCVRIVS

V = U, of course

Close question even for me.

ANDREA · Post #44by **ANDREA** » 20.02.2008, 19:03

Fenerit wrote:Sorry Andrea, I've made a superficial lecture of this thread and I've not seen the Cham pictures.
However, I'm pretty sure that in Harmonia macrocosmica of Andreas Cellarius (1661) the planets are:
SATVRNVS
IVPITER
MARS
LVNA
MVNDO
VENVS
MERCVRIVS
V = U, of course. Close question even for me.

Well, I would like to close, but before doing it I wish to be sure.
So I found your Harmonia macrocosmica of Andreas Cellarius (1661), here,
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/docume ... =450&REC=5
and if you go e.g. at page 63 or following ones you'll find this:

Or, even better, here
http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/gelmcs/index.html
at spread 83 you can find a very nice image of the "Scenographia Systematismundani Ptolemaici", where the names are as I gave.
Moreover I searched for ?€?planet MUNDO" (you put it for the Earth, obviously) and I found nothing, except that this means generically planet in Latin.
Probably Mundo was not regarding the Earth name, but something in the text, IMO.
And here, last but not least, the full copy of Kepler's "Astronomia Nova" - 1609
http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/kepast/index.html

Cham, I'm sure you'll find interesting things here.
Enjoy!

Fenerit, many thanks for pointing me to Cellarius, so I could find those very interesting links, whose I didn't know their existence. :wink:

Bye

Andrea

Cham · Post #45by **Cham** » 20.02.2008, 19:41

Oh boy ! That's a nice link, Andrea ! Very nice virtual books.

Fenerit · Post #46by **Fenerit** » 20.02.2008, 19:58

Wow, Andrea: thanks for the links. However, they lacks to show the two great colored pictures of the systems (Copernican and Ptolemaic)... :wink:

Fenerit · Post #47by **Fenerit** » 20.02.2008, 20:08

OOOPS! Find it! Spreads 92-98-107-116 and on. Great site!

ANDREA · Post #48by **ANDREA** » 20.02.2008, 21:53

Cham wrote:Oh boy ! That's a nice link, Andrea ! Very nice virtual books.

Happy you like the links, it has been a big and pleasant surprise for me too, indeed.

And, as I say every day... dig and dig and dig again, deep in the web there is (almost!) everything you are searching for! :wink:

Bye

Andrea

ANDREA · Post #49by **ANDREA** » 20.02.2008, 21:54

Fenerit wrote:OOOPS! Find it! Spreads 92-98-107-116 and on. Great site!

You are welcome.
I'm happy you like it, I was sure of this. :wink:

Bye

Andrea

ANDREA · Post #50by **ANDREA** » 20.02.2008, 22:10

And just to add the candied cherry over the cake, give a look here:

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/appast/index.html
Astronomicum Caesareum - 1540 - Apianus, Petrus

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/coprev/index.html
De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium, Libri VI - 1543 - Copernicus, Nicolaus

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/cretho/index.html
Theorica Planetarum - 1472 - Cremonensis, Gerardus

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/galsid/index.html
Sidereus Nuncius - 1610 - Galilei, Galileo

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/galsol/index.html
Istoria e Dimostrazioni Intorno Alle Macchie Solar - 1613 - Galilei, Galileo

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/gelmcs/index.html
Harmonia Macrocosmica - 1661 - Cellarius, Andreas

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/kepast/index.html
Astronomia Nova - 1609 - Kepler, Johannes

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/nwtpnc/index.html
Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica - 1726 - Newton, Isaac

http://www.rarebookroom.org/Control/nwtprt/index.html
Principia Mathematica (3rd Ed) - 1726 - Newton, Isaac

All these books are shown pretty well, and are a rare example of the astronomical theories from 14th to 17th century.
Sure they will be appreciated by many Celestians.
Bye

Andrea

Nastytang · Post #51by **Nastytang** » 20.02.2008, 22:55

Andrea those books are pretty Kool

Thanks

ANDREA · Post #52by **ANDREA** » 20.02.2008, 22:57

Nastytang wrote:Andrea those books are pretty Kool
Thanks

Nastytang, you are welcome.
Bye

Andrea

Fenerit · Post #53by **Fenerit** » 21.02.2008, 11:32

UUUUUAAAAAOOOOO! I Theorica planetarum of Gherardo da Cremona!!! This is a very great thing! Thanks ANDREA. If you find the Almagest and the Tractatus de sphaera of Giovanni Sacrobosco (John Holywood) please share it!

ANDREA · Post #54by **ANDREA** » 21.02.2008, 14:00

Fenerit wrote:UUUUUAAAAAOOOOO! I Theorica planetarum of Gherardo da Cremona!!! This is a very great thing! Thanks ANDREA.

Happy you like it, you are welcome!

Fenerit wrote:If you find the Almagest and the Tractatus de sphaera of Giovanni Sacrobosco (John Holywood) please share it!

Well, this has been more difficult, so that up to now I found only a plain text (no images) English translation of Giovanni Sacrobosco's "Tractatus de sphaera", here:
http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/sphere.htm
and an Italian PowerPoint presentation, very interesting, IMO (I know you are Italian, so no problem for you). here:
http://homes.dico.unimi.it/~gfp/StIn/20 ... .PPT#256,1
Hope it can be useful. :wink:

Here many information on the author, with some nice images in the links:
http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/sacrobosco.html
Searching for Almagest, but Sottobosco's one is lost among the zillions of Ptolemy's Almagest links, sorry.
Bye

EDITED LATER: here :lol:

http://ghtc.ifi.unicamp.br/download/Sacrobosco-1478.PDF
you can find the full original text!
Voil? ! :twisted:

Andrea

Fenerit · Post #55by **Fenerit** » 21.02.2008, 14:32

WoW ANDREA: but what search engine do you use? Very powerful! Well, I'm quite deprecable with my English, because in my query seem that the Almagest's version be that of Sacrobosco; this it's a mistake obviosly: Sacrobosco didn't made Almagest's version. Another one: the Theorica planetarum are ascribed not only to the Cremonensis (a Toledan translator of XII century) but even to Giovanni da Siviglia (John of Seville) to the Holywood and to the Robert Grosseteste. I believe the digital version being that of Campano da Novara. Now I do not have my books here with me, damn...

buggs_moran · Post #56by **buggs_moran** » 21.02.2008, 15:35

Nice resource Andrea. I wonder if it is possible to buy reproductions of texts somewhere... There is a company (http://www.octavo.com/) that will sell scans of books like Galileo's Sidereus and Newton's Opticks on cd, but it would be neat to be able to buy a copy of these on some authentic looking material. Really neat additions to a collection without paying tens of thousands of dollars...

Fenerit wrote: (John of Seville)

Just doesn't sound the same...

Fenerit · Post #57by **Fenerit** » 21.02.2008, 16:19

buggs_moran wrote:
...

Fenerit wrote: (John of Seville)
Just doesn't sound the same...

From italian to italian... "da" mean "from", "di" mean "of"; but ("di"="of") in italian is used when the name is related to a parents, nor when the name is related to a locality. However, I'm not sure if this is the sense of your perplexity... :wink:

ANDREA · Post #58by **ANDREA** » 21.02.2008, 16:23

buggs_moran wrote:Nice resource Andrea. I wonder if it is possible to buy reproductions of texts somewhere... There is a company (http://www.octavo.com/) that will sell scans of books like Galileo's Sidereus and Newton's Opticks on cd, but it would be neat to be able to buy a copy of these on some authentic looking material. Really neat additions to a collection without paying tens of thousands of dollars...

Buggs, there are some copies from originals available for sale, like this one:
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/60 ... v_XSNG1060
at sufficiently low prices (lower than 100.00 US$), but I understand you would like something a bit better to see, and for this I cannot help you, sorry. :oops:

Regarding Ptolemy?€™s Almagest, I think that this (if you don?€™t already know it) may be very interesting:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/syntaxis/Almagest.pdf
Enjoy!
Bye

Andrea

ANDREA · Post #59by **ANDREA** » 21.02.2008, 16:35

Fenerit wrote:WoW ANDREA: but what search engine do you use? Very powerful!

Well, like a zillion other people I use Google, but following the first important thing I learned from American people
during the many occasions I had to work with them, that is... "try, and try, and try it again..."

Simply this, with a bit of good will, and the good use to check ALL the links I find in ALL the pages I check.
This brings to open a lot of windows, but doing this I can find pages otherwise very difficult to be found, believe me.

Fenerit wrote:Well, I'm quite deprecable with my English, because in my query seem that the Almagest's version be that
of Sacrobosco; this it's a mistake obviosly: Sacrobosco didn't made Almagest's version....

Oh, obviously I know Ptolemy?€™s Almagest, but I supposed you was meaning some Sacrobosco?€™s English translation
of the original Almagest (now I know he never did one).
So it?€™s clear now.
And here is (in original old Greek) the Almagest:
http://www.wilbourhall.org/pdfs/Heiberg ... iewing.pdf
Pay attention, it needs Acrobat Reader 8 to be opened!
And here
http://www.wilbourhall.org/
many other original texts in .pdf format, i.e.:

Euclidis Opera Omnia Vol I-VI, IX
Euclid's Elements
Proclus'Commentary on Euclid, Book I
Al-Nairizi's Commentary on Euclid's Elements Codex Leidensis 399
Books 10 - 12 of Al-Khazini's epitome of his Zij as-Sanjari
Pappus of Alexandria's Collection
Diophanti Alexandrini Opera Omnia
Archimedis Opera Omnia
Apollonii Conica
Geminus'
Elementa Astronomiae
Nicomachi Geraseni Pythagorei Introductionis arithmeticae libri II
Autolyci De sphaera quae movetur liber
Surya Siddhanta
Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta of Brahmagupta
Aryabhatiya of Aryabhata
Vrddhayavanjataka of Minaraja

I think you will enjoy them, Fenerit. :wink:

Bye

Andrea

buggs_moran · Post #60by **buggs_moran** » 21.02.2008, 16:36

No, sorry Fenerit, I meant it is not as eloquent or classical sounding. English sometimes lack the beauty of the romance languages.