Great! Thanks, Chris. I think it will help a lot.chris wrote:I just created a wiki for Celestia on SourceForge
chris wrote:Maybe the SourceForge Wiki should focus on developer info, while the WikiBook should be more of a user's guide? Either that, or we should consolidate everything in one place or the other.
hank wrote:I'm not sure how much would be involved in admin duties for the wiki. I don't know that it would be reasonable to create a separate Sourceforge project just for a wiki. Of course it is not a good idea to add admin burden to Chris. Perhaps he could authorize someone else to admin the wiki for Celestia at Sourceforge.selden wrote:The admin of a SourceForge project has to configure and manage its Wiki. i.e. Chris for Celestia.
A separate project would have a different admin.
I was just thinking that having a different project with its own Wiki would avoid adding more administrative burden to Chris, leaving him more time for Celestia itself.
And I'm not interested in the job, either.
It might be a good idea to have a backup admin for the Celestia project at Sourceforge in any case.
Perhaps we need a third person, ideally someone on another continent.
selden wrote:Chris,
Hank suggested a Wiki for the following reason:hank wrote:I think it would be helpful if we could set up a Celestia development wiki somewhere that we could use to keep track of what needs to be done, who's doing what, and generally coordinate our development efforts going forward.
- Hank
The "we" he's referring to are people who are not members of the official development group, but who are interested in coding new functionality which eventually may be incorporated into the official release.
In other words, it needs to be a public wiki, writable by people who are not members of Celestia's official development group.
The WikiBook is for documenting Celestia. The Wiki is for coordinating the (unofficial) development effort -- quite different goals.
Hank,
Public Wikis need a lot of administration. They're subject to a significant amout of vandalism due to individuals and spambots. If they aren't kept clean, they quickly become unusable.
hank wrote:I think the user/developer distinction makes sense, at least for now.
- Hank
chris wrote:hank wrote:It might be a good idea to have a backup admin for the Celestia project at Sourceforge in any case.
Agreed. It's an essential part of making Celestia development less bottlenecked by me (though I have no plans to leave the project). Would you be up for it, Hank? I note that you're also in Seattle--the geographical concentration of Celestia project admins could be a liability should an errant asteroid come our way :) Perhaps we need a third person, ideally someone on another continent.
selden wrote:Fridger,
My reading of what Hank wrote was that maintaining the distinction between a Wiki documenting development and a Wiki documenting usage seems to be appropriate for now. By extension, however, the documentation of the code itself might reasonably be considered for future inclusion in the (currently for usage) WikiBook.
t00fri wrote:I hope you don't want to equalize the merits of people who made creative contributions to Celestia's code for > 5 years with some short-time efforts of users...
So I don't see the sense of your at least for now remark...
hank wrote:...
I'm not trying to "equalize the merits" of anyone. Recruiting new contributors should not diminish the value or recognition of past contributors. In particular, the value of your own many essential contributions to Celestia is beyond question. Your excellent work speaks for itself. I'm not sure what you're worried about here.
- Hank
).
ElChristou wrote:What about the bug pointed out by Chris just above? too narrowed? Consulting the CVS files cannot help to get an idea of the structure?
! And I already have some basic overview... but that's just very basic and usually, when eliminating bugs, a "basic" overview is just not enough. You often need a deep understanding of the code to find certain things...MKruer wrote:Chris, I was looking at that bug while reviewing bugs that should be squashed before the 1.5 final. I think I might have a better more final solution. Instead of simply selecting the object, It might be better to generate a popup list of object based upon distance for everything with a certain radius of the click. I know that when trying to select some stars I get a whole bunch of other stuff that I was not expecting.
.
t00fri wrote:Christophe,
my saying...but why don't we realize such good ideas at CM, where they belong??
Let people try the Wiki approach here, if Chris L. prefers it
A sound discussion forum on Mie theory, the respective parameter effects for atmosphere rendering and the projection of sky colors on the planetary surfaces were typical subjects high on my list for such a dev forum at CM... These topics are certainly of more general interest than for Celestia
Anyway, I have already accumulated a number of relevant resources and new results and will start soon with such a forum at CM...
Bye Fridger
ElChristou wrote:Guys, just a thought; ok for the dev wiki, but why not using the forum in another way? We could have a Dev category (similar at the one at CM) in which we could find a forums for EACH aspect of Celestia (could be Star rendering, Atmosphere rendering, Depth-sorting, UI, Database etc...)...
Then in each forum could take place the discussion by the creation of threads as we do actually... (for example, Hank want to play with the Stars corona, hop he create a thread in Stars rendering, once the job is done we close the thread and things are clear. Also the good point is that we could debug and follow easily each forum, we can even use and change the descriptions of the forums to give some info on what's going on (PRIORITY, Standby, etc)...
I'm just saying that because after digging a bit phpBB for CM I learned that we can create work groups with special permissions, private forums etc... Why not using all those options? IMHO, well done it could be a very practical way to centralize all info... (and everybody is already used to such board...)
chris wrote:As for subdividing the development forum, I'm for it, but I think that some of the categories you proposed would be splitting it too finely. For example, Rendering would be an appropriate subforum, but not Star Rendering.
ElChristou wrote:3 days later, seems no one has nothing else to say, so it's another topic that can be buried?
