Constellation of Aldebaran and the Hyades 1600 BC

[Analogika]

Hello,

I like to simulate the Constellation of the "lying V" in TAURIS (Aldebaran/Hyaden) in the Year 1600 BC.

How does that "lying V" exactly look like, 3600 Years before now? I mean, the different stars of that "lying V" have moved since that time, so the absolute as well as the relative position of these stars must have changed a bit.

I am told in a newsgroup, that chelestia should do that trick, but I do not know how. I changed the time to -1600, but the position of the stars seemed not to be changed.

Can anybody tell me, how to do that trick? Or, is anybody here qualified to calculate the visible constellation of these stars 1600 BC?

The background of my question is, that I suppose these stars to be charactered on the sky disk of nebra, in addition to the Pleades that are obviously charactered on another place on that disk (the sky disk of nebra is dated 1600 BC).

The similarity of these golden point with the constellation of these stars today is not to high, but I suppose for different reasons, why this could character Aldebaran with the Haydes (rsp. the "lying V").

Now I try to falsificate my thesis via comparing the real constellation 3600 years ago with these golden points on the sky disk. On the other hand, my thesis would gain enormous plausibility, if these golden points on the sky disk, that I suppose to charakter the "lying V" in TAURIS, looks like the real constellation of these stars 3600 years ago.

cf. http://www.analogika.info/nebra/#bild15

Thanks for any help,
Harald Gr?¤nzer, Berlin/Germany

hagrae[at]arcor<dot>de

[selden]

The stars in Celestia do not move, so you can't see changes in the shapes of constellations.

Sorry.

In principle, someone could create an Addon which specified EllipticalOrbits for Stars to simulate their proper motion, but nobody has done it yet.

[abramson]

Hi, Analogika.

To see what you want you need a planetarium program able to display the proper motion of stars. There are many of these, among which the excellent and free Cartes du Ciel (or Skychart). I have just checked, and the stars forming the "V" of the Hyades have moved very little in the last 3600 years: less than a quarter of a degree each one of them, all together towards the East, except of course Aldebaran, which has moved almost perpendicular, towards South-East. I can send you a chart if you wish.

Cheers,

Guillermo

[Dollan]

It's been a long while since I've looked at it, but I think Distant Suns can move forward and backwards in time, and have the stars shift as well. As for its accuracy in doing this, I have no idea.

A brief Google brings up this: http://www.tucows.com/preview/368467

...John...

[Analogika]

Hi abramson,

a snapshot or a chart with a brief description (program name, settings) would be really helpful.

My email:
hagrae[at]arcor<dot>de

Thank you,
Harald Gr?¤nzer, Berlin/Germany

[Analogika]

Thank you, abramson.

As you allready said, the movement of the stars forming the "V" in TAURIS was very little. The character of this constellation seemed not to have really changed...

it was worth a try...

Harald