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Google Earth !

Post #1by Fightspit » 19.07.2005, 12:24

Go to :
http://earth.google.com/

and you can download the application , it is free !

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Screenshots here:
http://earth.google.com/sites/

I think it is a complementary of Earth's Celestia.

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Post #2by buggs_moran » 19.07.2005, 16:20

Wow...


Nasa's World Wind is also similar to this but has numerous satellite overlays....http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.html
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Post #3by Fightspit » 19.07.2005, 18:29

buggs_moran wrote:Wow...


Nasa's World Wind is also similar to this but has numerous satellite overlays....http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/download.html


I don't know if Nasa's World Wind can display in 3D as Google Earth when
we view the ground on 45?° like the screenshot of the Grand Canyon at the top.
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Post #4by Jeam Tag » 19.07.2005, 18:50

Fightspit wrote:I don't know if Nasa's World Wind can display in 3D as Google Earth when we view the ground on 45?° like the screenshot of the Grand Canyon at the top.
Yes, it can.. but in the new version there are some bugs in the elevations, you can find some strange mountains in Manhattan for example, or see ugly elevation in the sea near the Golden gate brigde :-) but it is really impressive to fly over the Himalaya... you can adjust the heigh exageration). Jeam

PS: Please, I have no time to explore simulators for the moment, if you can take for me some interresting screenshots of Google Earth and send me in private, it will be possible to me to update the 'Links' pages in my catalog with Google Earth: there are so empty of picts! :-)
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Post #5by Tosv » 19.07.2005, 22:28

I don't know if Nasa's World Wind can display in 3D as Google Earth when we view the ground on 45?° like the screenshot of the Grand Canyon at the top.


Gaaah! I would really like to see that 3d-effect in Celestia! *Imagine* 8O
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Post #6by TourqeGlare » 20.07.2005, 00:35

Tosv wrote:
I don't know if Nasa's World Wind can display in 3D as Google Earth when we view the ground on 45?° like the screenshot of the Grand Canyon at the top.

Gaaah! I would really like to see that 3d-effect in Celestia! *Imagine* 8O

I think it can, bit its clunky.

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Post #7by Tosv » 20.07.2005, 12:11

TourqeGlare wrote:I think it can, bit its clunky.


Maybe, but it seems to be a very hard work just to achieve a small result.

Celestia has gone through a major development process since it was first released and I feel that it??s time to start thinking about a more "efficient" types of textures. Quite a long time ago I wrote a about this (maybe it was in the old forum), saying that it seemed to me that the texture system that we??re now using is a dead end. It??s static (cannot reproduce the swirling appearence of the stars or the gasgiants), its flat (cannot view 3d-effects as the Google Earth) etc.

I know that there has been some experimentation on giving more life to the textures, Runar Thorvaldsen??s sun or the Titan add-on, are good eamples, but it still feels that something completely different should be needed to be able to develop the textures further.

Not. I??m not saying this to offend someone. Many people here are doing a really great job with the creation of the textures, I just thougt it could be interesting to hear if anyone else has been thinking about this.
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Post #8by Fightspit » 20.07.2005, 13:52

Jeam Tag wrote:PS: Please, I have no time to explore simulators for the moment, if you can take for me some interresting screenshots of Google Earth and send me in private, it will be possible to me to update the 'Links' pages in my catalog with Google Earth: there are so empty of picts! :-)


I can't because the satellite's maps are protected (there are copyright on top of navigation panel :? )

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Post #9by Jeam Tag » 20.07.2005, 16:09

Fightspit wrote:
Jeam Tag wrote:PS: Please, if you can take for me some interresting screenshots of Google Earth and send me in private, it will be possible to me to update the 'Links' pages in my catalog with Google Earth
I can't because the satellite's maps are protected (there are copyright on top of navigation panel :? )

?? What difference between the pict you have providing here and same examples I'm searching for? In France this is calling 'Droit de citation', just an exemple to show what the prog is, for information (a little bit publicity) NOT for (commercial) use!. See what I mean on my poor (for the moment) links pages, Planetary simulator items.. Jeam
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Post #10by Fightspit » 20.07.2005, 20:22

Jeam Tag wrote:In France this is calling 'Droit de citation'

Comme tu es francais, on dit les "Droits d'auteurs" :wink: :lol:
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Post #11by Jeam Tag » 20.07.2005, 20:39

Fightspit wrote:
Jeam Tag wrote:In France this is calling 'Droit de citation'
Comme tu es francais, on dit les "Droits d'auteurs" :wink: :lol:
Nope. In this case, this is a quotation. Le 'Droit de citation' que j'?©voquais, c'est celui qui a cours lorsqu'un critique cite un extrait de livre, des media montrent un extrait de film ou autre, pour le pr?©senter. C'est autre chose que de l'utiliser pour son propre usage, et surtout commercial: l?  bien s?»r, le droit d'auteur est tr??s strict, heureusement. Jeam
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Post #12by Fightspit » 21.07.2005, 08:51

Jeam Tag wrote:
Fightspit wrote:
Jeam Tag wrote:In France this is calling 'Droit de citation'
Comme tu es francais, on dit les "Droits d'auteurs" :wink: :lol:
Nope. In this case, this is a quotation. Le 'Droit de citation' que j'?©voquais, c'est celui qui a cours lorsqu'un critique cite un extrait de livre, des media montrent un extrait de film ou autre, pour le pr?©senter. C'est autre chose que de l'utiliser pour son propre usage, et surtout commercial: l?  bien s?»r, le droit d'auteur est tr??s strict, heureusement. Jeam


De plus, je pense que les images sont prot?©g?©s car le logiciel gratuit permet de promouvoir les produits payants (un ?  20 dollars et un ?  400 dolllars 8O ).
Enfin, c'est pourquoi je n'ai voulu publier les "vrais" screenshots mais celles difus?©es par Google par souci de tranquilit?©... :roll:
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P.S. sorry for using the french to answer Jeam Tag, it is easy for him 8) (and me . :lol: ).
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Post #13by kikinho » 22.08.2005, 20:59

I now use Google Earth to make my own textures.
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Post #14by consecretus » 23.08.2005, 19:02

Google Earth might be a nice programme but I cannot find out because it does not work on my computer. While loading it crashes always down. AARGH! :evil:
On the other hand I think it would be more interesting if you had a combination of Celestia and GoogleEarth. You know, sometimes you are looking at the earth but then you want to look at e.g. Neptune. Then it is nicer to have a high-resolution earth texture and also a model of the whole universe.

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Post #15by Fightspit » 24.08.2005, 09:57

consecretus wrote:Google Earth might be a nice programme but I cannot find out because it does not work on my computer. While loading it crashes always down. AARGH! :evil:


Please read the faq:
http://earth.google.com/faq.html#5 :wink:
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Post #16by Rassilon » 24.08.2005, 17:17

Tosv wrote:
TourqeGlare wrote:I think it can, bit its clunky.

Maybe, but it seems to be a very hard work just to achieve a small result.

Celestia has gone through a major development process since it was first released and I feel that it??s time to start thinking about a more "efficient" types of textures. Quite a long time ago I wrote a about this (maybe it was in the old forum), saying that it seemed to me that the texture system that we??re now using is a dead end. It??s static (cannot reproduce the swirling appearence of the stars or the gasgiants), its flat (cannot view 3d-effects as the Google Earth) etc.

I know that there has been some experimentation on giving more life to the textures, Runar Thorvaldsen??s sun or the Titan add-on, are good eamples, but it still feels that something completely different should be needed to be able to develop the textures further.

Not. I??m not saying this to offend someone. Many people here are doing a really great job with the creation of the textures, I just thougt it could be interesting to hear if anyone else has been thinking about this.


I get just as frustrated as this when I cannot produce some of the effects I imagine...This is one of the main reasons I took up OpenGL programming....to possibly add some of these features to Celestia or come up with my own project...I think someday I will contribute to Celestia but my OpenGL skills are still quite horrid....
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Post #17by MB » 25.08.2005, 12:48

Just to inform french (or french speaking) guys that half a page has been devoted to "Google earth" in the 25 AUG 05 issue of "Le Monde" a well recognized national french daily ( I don't want to enter in french - french debate about the "serious or intelectual newspapers !).
When some similar papers about Celestia?
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Post #18by Jeam Tag » 25.08.2005, 13:27

MB wrote:Just to inform french (or french speaking) guys that half a page has been devoted to "Google earth" in the 25 AUG 05 issue of "Le Monde" a well recognized national french daily.MB
Thanks MB!
Well, as I can read online there is an ITW wih John Hank (ex Keyhole chairman, yes? GE was based upon the Keyhole communauty) :
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0,36-682240,0.html
and a Google Earth presentation http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3234,36-682239@51-656147,0.html.
About press releases, there is a thread that is started for articles about Celestia : personnaly I hope to do a page in my catalog with these references (paper and online articles, if possible)...
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Post #19by ANDREA » 25.08.2005, 23:19

Jeam Tag wrote:Jeam-who hates Google Earth: my home is just 1 mile out of a (little) more detailled tile, can't see anything :evil:

Sorry for you Jeam.
I've been very lucky: in this image of Rome (Italy) Sout-West, the yellow X marks my flat, and the white arrow marks my wife's car (I know it for sure, because the car parkings are assigned, and mine is the fourth starting from the top white car, and it's a dark blue small FIAT 500. 8O

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BTW, this image is less than two years old.
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Post #20by Jeam Tag » 26.08.2005, 10:44

ANDREA wrote:I've been very lucky
We can see!.Well, what an impressive zoom! (Capitals and surrounding areas are better detailled than other sites... I am too far away Paris) Who kows what this kind of public tools will be in the future!.... And what about the more secret tools with HiRes....
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Edit: Here is what I said about the near limit of the more detailled tile:
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the point is my flat, according with the street overlay line...the border of the upon better tile (same resolution as your screenshot, as I can see with zoom in) is approx 200 meters, in fact... Bad luck!
So, there are some bugs to fix, in Google Earth: as you can see, the street overlay isn't totally accorded with the picture: too far to the right. (approx. 30 meters). ha ha!
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