Translators wanted

[Wheelie]

Here I am for italian translation.
I hope I can work with that file under Window ... at the first try I got PowerPoint trying to do something with it....

Yeah... that pot extention is for PP to, but you can open it with notepad or any other text (ascII) editor.

[julesstoop]

I've sent an email to the other two people buzy with a Dutch translation. I hope we'll share our thoughts soon in order to come up with something good.

[kary]

I can translate to czech/slovak (they are similar) language... English lang file

[ironhell3]

Ok, i will transate it in greek (hellenic).Is there a message freeze or not?

[Christophe]

Ok, i will transate it in greek (hellenic).Is there a message freeze or not?

There is no message freeze yet, but there are only 200 messages and only a couple of them are subject to change so you can start translating now.

[chris]

On the Windows front, I've figured out how to create resource DLLs that contain menus and dialogs with translated strings. Now, I need to figure out how to apply the translation files to the resource source files . . . it seems like someone must have had to solve this problem already.

A somewhat harder problem is translating the text rendered with OpenGL . . . The texture fonts currently used in Celestia don't even have the full Latin character set. That's not such a problem, but adding alternate alphabets like Greek, Cyrillic, Arabic, Hebrew, etc. presents a bit of a problem. Non-alphabetic character sets like kanji represent an even bigger problem, though hopefully not an insurmountable one.

Christophe, does KDE use UTF-8?

--Chris

[Christophe]

On the Windows front, I've figured out how to create resource DLLs that contain menus and dialogs with translated strings. Now, I need to figure out how to apply the translation files to the resource source files . . . it seems like someone must have had to solve this problem already.

Yes probably, although there aren't that many cross-platform application that don't use a cross-platform framework which takes care of i18n.

A somewhat harder problem is translating the text rendered with OpenGL . . . The texture fonts currently used in Celestia don't even have the full Latin character set. That's not such a problem, but adding alternate alphabets like Greek, Cyrillic, Arabic, Hebrew, etc. presents a bit of a problem. Non-alphabetic character sets like kanji represent an even bigger problem, though hopefully not an insurmountable one.

Would it be possible to use Freetype2 to directly render TTF fonts rather than using a bitmapped font?

Christophe, does KDE use UTF-8?

Yes, that's even the default setting on most distributions nowadays.

[chris]

Would it be possible to use Freetype2 to directly render TTF fonts rather than using a bitmapped font?

In order to render text quickly with OpenGL, the glyphs need to be stored in a texture. But it would be possible to use Freetype2 to generate the glyphs at runtime rather than supplying pre-built fonts. I'm somewhat concerned about adding too many external library dependencies into Celestia however . . . This isn't a problem when distributing a binary (though it does increase the package size), but what about Linux users who build from source? Having the right Freetype2 library is yet another requirement for them. Does KDE use Freetype2, making it safe to assume that someone with KDE3 will have a recent version of the Freetype2 libraries?

--Chris

[Christophe]

Having the right Freetype2 library is yet another requirement for them. Does KDE use Freetype2, making it safe to assume that someone with KDE3 will have a recent version of the Freetype2 libraries?

Yes KDE (QT) uses Freetype as does GTK2. It is not a strong requirement as client side font rendering is now the norm on X.

[steffens]

I just started a german translation. I will send it to Christophe as soon as possible, if that's ok.

[JLP]

I'll start the Slovenian translation sometime soon. I still have some other Linux astronomy apps left to translate

[DavidOrtmann]

Hi,

I just started a german translation. I will send it to Christophe as soon as possible, if that's ok.

Steffen: Do you also translate the User Guide? Otherwise I would like to do that in the next weeks (if you do translate them, maybe I can give you a helping hand - I am very eager to do something for the German version of Celestia).

Maybe you can post a response to this message board or send a mail to david-ortmann@gmx.de.

Thanks,
David

[steffens]

Steffen: Do you also translate the User Guide? Otherwise I would like to do that in the next weeks (if you do translate them, maybe I can give you a helping hand - I am very eager to do something for the German version of Celestia).

No, I really don't think I will have the time for that. In fact, I did not even check my translation for celestia from within celestia! I guess that I should have a look at it once more to make some of the labels / messages a bit more clear / crisp / whatever. The problem is that I could not get the translations to show up in my celestia. A "make install" does not seem to do anything for the "po" folder yet and I don't know how to enable my de.po manually.
Even worse, I could not build recent cvs-versions of celestia at all. There are compile-errors (which I don't remember right now, I'm not at home...). I will try it again later and post the log if the problem ist still there...

bye and thanks in advance for your efforts

steffens

[DavidOrtmann]

Hi,

No, I really don't think I will have the time for that. In fact, I did not even check my translation for celestia from within celestia! I guess that I should have a look at it once more to make some of the labels / messages a bit more clear / crisp / whatever. The problem is that I could not get the translations to show up in my celestia. A "make install" does not seem to do anything for the "po" folder yet and I don't know how to enable my de.po manually

Cannot help you there, I use windows as a platform...

Even worse, I could not build recent cvs-versions of celestia at all. There are compile-errors (which I don't remember right now, I'm not at home...). I will try it again later and post the log if the problem ist

*g*

still there...

bye and thanks in advance for your efforts

No prob. OK, I will start to translate the User Guide then. I have plenty of time as I am a student...
Perhaps I will send a short mail to Christophe to make sure I do not translate in vain...

Bye,
David
Dessau, Saxony-Anhalt

[Christophe]

No, I really don't think I will have the time for that. In fact, I did not even check my translation for celestia from within celestia! I guess that I should have a look at it once more to make some of the labels / messages a bit more clear / crisp / whatever. The problem is that I could not get the translations to show up in my celestia. A "make install" does not seem to do anything for the "po" folder yet and I don't know how to enable my de.po manually.
Even worse, I could not build recent cvs-versions of celestia at all. There are compile-errors (which I don't remember right now, I'm not at home...). I will try it again later and post the log if the problem ist still there...

The linux build problems have been fixed in CVS, updating should enable your de translation installation. Otherwise you can install it manualy:

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> msgfmt -o de.gmo ./de.po
> cp de.gmo /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/celestia.mo


[DavidOrtmann]

Hi,
I just discovered that the program ignores the German Umlaute (??????) and the ? when entered in one of the files (like the demo-script).

Is there any way to make the program show these characters properly?

David

P.S.: I translated the guide.cel without any problems because the information is given in a separate box. But the text from the demo.cel is shown within the program itself (in this blueish colour) and then the Umlaute are erased.

[Guest]

The linux build problems have been fixed in CVS, updating should enable your de translation installation. Otherwise you can install it manualy:

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> msgfmt -o de.gmo ./de.po
> cp de.gmo /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/celestia.mo


Unfortunately, I still can not compile from cvs. I posted about this at the "Bugs" board (hope that's ok).
How is the translation file installed? Will it be copied to the right place by "make install"? I have not found the corresponding code in the Makefile of the kde/po folder???

steffens

[Christophe]

Unfortunately, I still can not compile from cvs. I posted about this at the "Bugs" board (hope that's ok).
How is the translation file installed? Will it be copied to the right place by "make install"? I have not found the corresponding code in the Makefile of the kde/po folder???

Yes, 'make' runs the msgfmt command and 'make install' copies the gmo file to the locale directory.

I'll have a look at your build problem.

[steffens]

OK, I finally managed to compile from cvs again (after inserting "#include <algorithm>" into image.cpp, why is this not in cvs ) and after manually creating and installing my .mo file I had nice german translations.
There is still one thing I'm not quite happy with: there are some menu entries where there are standard translations available. For example, entry "Home" is not in the .po files and gets translated to "Dateianfang" on my system, which is definitely not a very good description for "go to our sun"!
Can such standard items be overridden by .po files? Should I simply add these messages?

steffens

[Christophe]

OK, I finally managed to compile from cvs again (after inserting "#include <algorithm>" into image.cpp, why is this not in cvs :?: )

That's because it depends on the version of gcc you're using. Chris runs RedHat and don't have any of those build problems and neither do I. Fridger, who uses SuSE has been complaining a lot about those issues too, you're not the only one affected.

There is still one thing I'm not quite happy with: there are some menu entries where there are standard translations available. For example, entry "Home" is not in the .po files and gets translated to "Dateianfang" on my system, which is definitely not a very good description for "go to our sun"!
Can such standard items be overridden by .po files? Should I simply add these messages?

I suppose you can add them to the application .po file and that will overwrite the system's defaults, but I've never tried it. If it does work, please send me your modified po file so that I can commit it into cvs.