Solar System Browser Problems

[BobHegwood]

Bertrand, (bdfd) has given me two new add-ons for the Motherlode, but with either
add-on, I cannot find any Solar System Browser objects within the selected star's
vicinity. Has anyone any idea as to what the problem might be?

Bertrand has submitted many add-ons in the past, and they all worked fine.
The only thing *I* can think of is that something is different (or wrong) with
either the STC files, the SSC files, or both.

Does anyone have any idea where we might start looking for a solution to
this problem?

I honestly have no idea. I have tested each of Bertrand's add-ons in both
Celestia 1.5.1 and the latest SVN version of RC2. They both
show the same results. I can use the ENTER-Type Name-ENTER method
to get to any of the objects in his add-on's solar system, but can find
nothing in the Solar System Browser under the Navigation panel.

Has anyone any clue as to what we might check here?

Thanks, Brain-Dead

[BobHegwood]

Here are the STC/SSC files from one of Bertrand's add-ons:

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# Iota Leo A et TYC 858-1221-2

1012210858 "Argelius A:Tsze Tseang A:Iot Leo A:78 Leo A:ADS 8148 A:CCDM J11239+1032A"
{
     RA       170.9807189
     Dec       10.5296972
     Distance  77.217566
     SpectralType    "F2IV"   # lacking, used HIP data of the entire system!
     AppMag          4.11
}

2012210858 "Argelius B:Tsze Tseang B:Iot Leo B:78 Leo B:ADS 8148 B:CCDM J11239+1032B"
{
     RA       170.9810419
     Dec       10.5294400
     Distance  77.217566
     SpectralType    "F2IV"   # lacking, used HIP data of the entire system!
     AppMag          6.86

}

Barycenter 55642 "Disabled"
{
   RA  0   
   Dec 0
   Distance 10000
}

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# A:F4IV 2.37 R, B:F2IV 0.65 R

"Belt" "Argelius A"
{
   Class "spacecraft"
   Mesh "test8.cmod"
   Emissive true
   Albedo 0.99
   Radius 10918190000

   EllipticalOrbit {
      Period   9
      SemiMajorAxis   0
   }

   Orientation [-90 1 0 0]
   Obliquity 3
   EquatorAscendingNode 0
   RotationOffset 0
   RotationPeriod 2
}

"Atm" "Argelius B"
{
#   Radius   600000
#   Color [ 0.9 0.9 0.87 ]
   Emissive true

   Atmosphere
      {
      Height 3000000
      Lower [ 0.9 0.9 0.87 ]
      Upper [ 0.18 0.12 0.04 ]
      }
   
   EllipticalOrbit
      {
      Period 1e25
      SemiMajorAxis 1e-12
      }

   RotationPeriod 1e12
}

"Argelius I" "Argelius B"
{
   Class "planet"
        Texture "argelius I.*"
        Radius 2619

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            0.21  # years
                SemiMajorAxis     0.28  # AU
                Eccentricity      0.007
                Inclination          3.2
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    15.03
        Obliquity         2
        Albedo            0.90
}

"Argelius II" "Argelius B"
{
   Class "planet"
        Texture "Argelius.*"
        Radius 6263
        Color [ 0.85 0.85 1.0 ]
        SpecularColor [ 0.5 0.5 0.55 ]
        SpecularPower 25.0
        HazeColor [ 1 1 1 ]
        HazeDensity 0.3

        Atmosphere {
                Height 65
                Lower [ 0.5 0.5 0.65 ]
                Upper [ 0.3 0.3 0.6 ]
                Sky [ 0.3 0.6 0.9 ]
                CloudHeight 15
                CloudSpeed  65
                CloudMap "Argelius-clouds.*"
        }

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            0.85 # years
                SemiMajorAxis     0.88 # AU
                Eccentricity      0.0056
                Inclination          0.8
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    25.20
        Obliquity         20
        Albedo             0.3
}

"Argala" "Argelius B/Argelius II"
{
   Class "Moon"
        Texture "argala.*"
        Radius 1711
        Color   [ 1 0.75 0.7 ]
        HazeColor [ 1 1 1 ]
        HazeDensity 0.45

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            10.27
                SemiMajorAxis 239381.0
                Eccentricity         0.00142
                Inclination          0.278
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    17.66
        Obliquity         2

        Albedo             0.70
}

"Argelius III" "Argelius B"
{
   Class "planet"
        Texture "Argelius III.*"
        Radius 6217

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            1.30  # years
                SemiMajorAxis     1.10  # AU
                Eccentricity      0.045
                Inclination          0.78
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    22.92
        Obliquity         16

        Albedo            0.60
}

"Argelius IV" "Argelius B"
{
   Class "planet"
        Texture "argelius IV.*"
        Radius 4527

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            3.28  # years
                SemiMajorAxis     1.60  # AU
                Eccentricity      0.039
                Inclination          0.278
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    42.17
        Obliquity         20

        Albedo            0.50
}

"Argelius V" "Argelius B"
{
   Class "planet"
        Texture "Argelius V.*"
        Radius 76764
        HazeColor [ 0.4 0.45 0.5 ]
        HazeDensity 0.3

   Atmosphere {
      Height 500
      Lower [ 0.8 0.6 0.6 ]
      Upper [ 0.7 0.3 0.3 ]
      Sky [ 0.83 0.75 0.65 ]
   }

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period           15.50  # years
                SemiMajorAxis     6.90  # AU
                Eccentricity      0.007
                Inclination          5.28
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    8.33
        Obliquity         2

        Albedo            0.40
}

"Argelius Va" "Argelius B/Argelius V"
{
   Class "Moon"
        Texture "argelius Va.*"
        Radius 1711

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            19.7
                SemiMajorAxis 439381.0
                Eccentricity       0.07
                Inclination        0.78
                AscendingNode    303.170
                ArgOfPericenter   29.371
                MeanAnomaly       99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    17.66
        Obliquity         2
        Albedo             0.70
}

"Argelius VI" "Argelius B"
{
   Class "planet"
        Texture "Argelius VI.*"
        Radius 35987
        HazeColor [ 0.4 0.45 0.5 ]
        HazeDensity 0.3

   Atmosphere {
      Height 300
      Lower [ 0.8 0.6 0.6 ]
      Upper [ 0.7 0.3 0.3 ]
      Sky [ 0.83 0.75 0.65 ]
   }

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period           23.50  # years
                SemiMajorAxis    11.40  # AU
                Eccentricity      0.025
                Inclination         10.2
                AscendingNode      303.170
                ArgOfPericenter     29.371
                MeanAnomaly         99.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    8.33
        Obliquity        12
        Albedo            0.50
}

"Argelius VIa" "Argelius B/Argelius VI"
{
   Class "Moon"
        Texture "argelius VIa.*"
        Radius 1907

        EllipticalOrbit {
                Period            225
                SemiMajorAxis 399405.0
                Eccentricity       0.07
                Inclination        5.7
                AscendingNode    313.170
                ArgOfPericenter  129.371
                MeanAnomaly      299.097
        }

        RotationPeriod    18.5
        Obliquity         12
        Albedo             0.60
}


Thanks, Brain-Dead

[selden]

Strange.

It works fine for me.

I have to believe that it might be due to some "non printing" characters in the SSC catalog which were eliminated in the process of pasting it into the forum post.

[Chuft-Captain]

Works fine for me as well Bob.

One question though... how have you named the .STC and .SSC files.
Celestia is sometimes sensitive to the location and collation order of filenames when parsing them.
ie. A.ssc may be loading prior to B.stc.

I don't know if this is the cause of your problem, but it might be worth experimenting with your filenames.

CC

[BobHegwood]

Where are you folks getting this add-on from?
The two versions I'm testing came from the Sandbox at the ML?

Are these the ones you are using?
If so, then the problem exists at my end. And also at Ulrich's because he
gets the same problem.

Thanks, Brain-Dead

[Chuft-Captain]

Bob,

I just cut and pasted the code from your second post.

I assumed this was one of the ones you were having problems with.

CC

[BobHegwood]

Okay, un-installed *everything* related to Celestia from my computer,
and then installed an absolutely clean copy of 1.6.0RC2...

Now, Bertrand's add-ons work perfectly.

Beats the hell out of me.

Thanks for the assist guys. Much appreciated by the Brain-Dead

[John Van Vliet]

--- edit ---

[BobHegwood]

Yes, I know it does.
But, you were seeing some of the same problems I was this time.
I really don't want to do this again. <sigh>

Thanks, Bob

[fungun]

So how does one fix this problem?
I have the same problem with my Mira addon.
I use the enter-type-enter method for going to MiraA, and I see the planets in the Solar System Browser. I type in MiraB, go to the Solar System Browser, and still only see the planets for MiraA.
I saw above the "naming" observation, so I changed the name of my stc file from Mira.stc to MiraAB.stc. The scc files are named MiraA.scc and MiraB.scc.
Any directions you guys can give would be great.

Thanks,
Tim

[selden]

Tim,

Can you provide the text of your SSC and STC files?
If they're large, you could attach them in a zip file.

(Models and textures aren't needed to debug this type or problem)

[fungun]

Thank you selden.
Here ya go.

Tim

[John Van Vliet]

--- edit ---

[selden]

It looks like a bug in Celestia to me.

[John Van Vliet]

--- edit ---

[fungun]

Just so I get this right.
You're saying I need to make 2 stc files?
I did find the RA and DEC for Mira A and B over at the Simbad site, but it gives 4 different coordinats. I am assuming I would use the "ICRS coord. (ep=2000)".

Thanks,
Tim

[fungun]

While working on this problem, I have found a discrepancy.
I looked up Mira on the internet and I find distances of around 420 Ly, while Celestia gives 298 Ly.
Why he big differance?

Thanks,
Tim

[ajtribick]

The most recent version of the Celestia database is based on the 2007 revision of the Hipparcos catalogue by van Leeuwen, while SIMBAD itself quotes the distance from the original Hipparcos catalogue version by Perryman et al. (1997). The data can be retrieved from VizieR

HIP1 data: parallax = 7.79±1.07 mas (distance = 419±58 ly)
HIP2 data: parallax = 10.91±1.22 mas (distance = 299±33 ly)

[Reiko]

I remember posting this problem a year ago or so. This happens in any binary or multiple star system that has worlds orbiting each star. Only the planets orbiting the A star show up in the browser.

[fungun]

I figued it out....sorta.
As a work around I made 2 stc files and gave each star its orbital properties.
You can't see the barycenter, or select it, or see its orbit, because there isn't one. You can however see the star's orbits.

Thanks,
Tim